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three large homes. He landscaped them to the best of his ability with respect to his investment <br />in the homes. For this particular site, he's not opposed to putting up the bond money that's <br />going to be required because he's going to live there. He doesn't want the surrounding area <br />around the house to have falling trees or mud holes. It's going to be a park -like atmosphere for <br />his family, extended family, kids, and grandkids. He even offered to do it at night because at <br />one point that's the way it was leaning. He was asked if there were any complaints and in all <br />the turmoil he only had two people. One is a woman who is here tonight, noting she asked him <br />if she could look at the property. He was hesitant because of insurance, but knowing how <br />important it was to the neighbors he allowed it. The other complaint was from Mr. Curtis and he <br />went to his house. He has lived there for 25 years and doesn't plan to move back to town. He <br />wants to do what's in the best interest of everybody and that is why he would mold the program <br />to whatever the Commission deems necessary. Ms. Archuletta asked Mr. Barickman what he <br />had accomplished in two years and if he had cleared any of the ten acres. Mr. Barickman <br />replied yes, noting he can't say how much was cleared. He can't get a true estimate on how <br />many tons he needs to clear, noting he hasn't had anybody out there yet that can do the <br />calculations. The numbers Mr. Gagliano came up with doing it on a limited scale were six to <br />eight years with three or four people. Mr. Gagliano stated the complaints and noise came in the <br />first few years from building the roads, and it was approximately two acres he cleared rocks <br />from. Ms. Archuletta asked Mr. Barickman if he was willing to wait that long to build his home. <br />Mr. Barickman replied he has another home there right now and things don't happen overnight. <br />He would like to get a crew in there if he could afford it, noting it would be conducive to <br />everybody there in the room and all the Departments that are involved. He would like to get it <br />done in a year but that would be too disruptive. One house he was involved with took four years <br />to build so he knows they can't get a dream and make it happen overnight. He would like to <br />have a park for his family and incorporate it with trails and snow - shoeing and have it be very <br />nice. <br />Mr. Leyba asked Mr. Barickman if he could estimate how much rock had been cleared over the <br />past two years. Mr. Barickman replied he wasn't involved until May, noting he was paying other <br />people to do it for him. With his work schedule he was able to be up there every day from April <br />through October and he was one of the equipment operators. He can't really say how much <br />was taken out prior to that other than by dollar amounts. This year he took out about one -tenth <br />of the rock. It took longer this year than future years because a lot of the season was taken and <br />consumed in getting in the roads. Mr. Leyba asked Mr. Barickman if semi - trucks would go <br />through there a couple times a week. Mr. Barickman replied not to where the rock is, but to the <br />gate where the staging area is. Mr. Leyba asked Mr. Barickman if that would be a couple times <br />a week, and Mr. Barickman replied yes. Mr. Griego asked Mr. Barickman how many semi -truck <br />loads he has taken out of there since he's been doing this. Mr. Barickman replied if he <br />averaged it out, twice a week. Mr. Griego asked Mr. Barickman if enough boulders had been <br />taken out to build his home. Mr. Barickman replied no, noting as Mr. Gagliano reported earlier, <br />this isn't just one rock under a tree or another rock over there. He had a geologist look at it and <br />it was caused by a glacier slide that occurred 70 million years ago and the rocks are 150 million <br />years old. There are layers of them and very few are buried six to ten inches, noting they can't <br />walk on them without twisting an ankle. Mr. Griego asked Mr. Barickman if the track hoe would <br />tear up the property. Mr. Barickman replied the track hoe or excavator is what was used to build <br />the roads to get back to the site. They're using it now to pick up the rocks and put them in the <br />loader. They are then taken down to the storage yard. Mr. Clark asked Mr. Barickman if the <br />track hoe was the largest machine he would be using or a larger one in the future. Mr. <br />Barickman replied the track hoe is enough to provide his needs and it's not his intention to <br />expand the operation. It's going to take some time, but unless it breaks down, he's not going to <br />be running two. Mr. Clark stated he asked because the concerns are going to be about the <br />SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPEAL NO. 2011 -002 <br />STAFF REVIEW 11 -30 -2011 <br />-DRAFT MINUTES- <br />7 <br />PCPC <br />EXHIBIT NO. <br />3 cont' <br />11 -15 -2011 <br />