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upgrading with another track machine with a blade or bulldozer. Mr. Barickman replied the <br />excavator caused the noise building the road which was Mr. Curtis' concern. Mr. Clark asked <br />Mr. Barickman if the track hoe machine would be satisfactory. Mr. Barickman replied the loader <br />is a soft tire and doesn't make any noise going back and forth. The excavator has been at the <br />same area and maybe moved 20 feet back and forth. The only time there would be noise is <br />when they move the excavator forward and it's the track on top of the remaining rocks that <br />makes the noise, but they're back to where they need to be. Mr. Clark stated typically, with <br />these types of operations, is the need for a jackhammer with compressors, and asked Mr. <br />Barickman if he saw it getting to that level. Mr. Barickman replied no, not with the rocks he's <br />getting out of there. There's no way he could get a return on the equipment and he would be <br />losing more money than he's losing now. They can't even scratch the rocks, noting they have to <br />pick them up. Mr. Clark stated his concern is the noise. If there's a commitment there won't be <br />any air compressors or jack hammers and it's just limited to a track hoe, that would help to <br />mitigate the noise. Mr. Barickman stated that was correct. Acting Chair Ozzello stated Mr. <br />Barickman spent $65,000 this past year and when he gets through with the project in five to <br />seven years it's going to be a lot of money. Mr. Barickman stated that was correct and he was <br />learning the hard way. Acting Chair Ozzello stated in five years he's spending $325,000. Mr. <br />Barickman stated a lot of the expense this year was the start up fees and to get the road built <br />and to do the clearing, noting he's aware of what it's going to cost. Mr. Clark stated he would <br />have an offset with the sale of the rock. Mr. Barickman stated this year there wasn't much of an <br />offset to cover the $65,000. Acting Chair Ozzello asked Mr. Barickman what kind of decorative <br />rocks they were. Mr. Barickman replied they are lichen and the boulders range in size from 100 <br />pounds to five tons. They're covered with lichen which is a living organism. They thrive on the <br />shaded areas and is why the rocks are decorative like they are because of the canopy Mr. <br />Gagliano referred to earlier. <br />Ms. Archuletta stated Mr. Gagliano indicated there wasn't storage on the property and since <br />there isn't a big demand for rock sales at this point because of the economy she questioned <br />where the rocks were being stored. Mr. Barickman replied he sells them as they go. Ms. <br />Archuletta asked Mr. Barickman if the demand was such that he didn't have to store them on <br />the property. Mr. Barickman replied he stores them on the property until he gets an order and <br />the orders are anywhere from a ten -ton truck, which would be his personal Ford F350, to a <br />semi, which carries about 23 tons. The orders range anywhere from eight tons delivered to 100 <br />tons delivered. Ms. Archuletta asked Mr. Barickman how much of the area has been <br />designated as storage. Mr. Gagliano replied the staging area is 1.1 acres, which is a part of the <br />ten acres. Mr. Barickman stated it's included in the ten acre permit. Mr. Gagliano stated it's a <br />staging area and not storage. When he said there wasn't any storage room he meant for the <br />entire boulder field. They collect the rocks, pick them up, and haul them down. All of the noise <br />was created in building the roads to get back into the remote areas so he could cherry pick the <br />rocks. They're taken down to the storage area by the gate where the road runs from his <br />property to the park and contains 1.1 acres. The road is calculated in and is why they're down <br />to less than eight acres for the rock picking operation out of the 9.9 acres. When he said there <br />wasn't storage, he meant there wasn't room to store all of the rocks. It's a staging area like in <br />construction, noting there has to be an area where materials are stored. Ms. Archuletta thanked <br />Mr. Gagliano for the clarification, noting she had read or heard somewhere that there wasn't <br />storage. <br />Mr. Leverington questioned if the A -3 Zone District was primarily agricultural. Mr. Raso replied it <br />has a minimum lot size of one acre. Mr. Leverington stated if they were going to subdivide it, <br />but they have 62 acres and they're not asking to subdivide it. Mr. Raso stated the primary <br />purpose didn't sound agricultural, noting he just wants to build a house there. Mr. Leverington <br />SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPEAL NO. 2011 -002 <br />STAFF REVIEW 11 -30 -2011 <br />-DRAFT MINUTES- <br />8 <br />PCPC <br />EXHIBIT NO. <br />3 cont' <br />11 -15 -2011 <br />