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21 <br /> v <br /> 0 <br /> 0 <br /> 0 <br /> m <br /> 0 <br /> Mir.. TATE: That is right, following the wording. <br /> CHAIRMAN KRAMER: You don' t consider you are waving <br /> any red flag? 0 <br /> MR. TATE: No, it isn' t done for that purpose. <br /> CHAIRMAN KRAMER: Go ahead. Do you have a question? <br /> It is very appropriate that we have full and deliberate die- <br /> oussion of this. I certainly don' t want anyone to be pre- <br /> eluded. I won' t take up all the time, but I considered it <br /> was important that I was going to satisfy myself in the course <br /> of this session. I probably have. <br /> MR. PATTERSON: May I make a few comments off the <br /> record, beoause they go to an entirely different angle than <br /> the discussion with the Federal Power Commission and the <br /> rights of the United States. <br /> CHAIRMAN KRAMER: They are pertinent to this question, <br /> and I think they should go in the record. <br /> MR. PATTERSON : I have this thought in mind: The <br /> existing laws here quoted are undoubtedly pertinent to some <br /> extent by reason of interstate compacts in discussing the <br /> whole matter of allocations as though they were necessarily <br /> made under the terms beneficial consumptive use. I want to <br /> point out that we are having a little discussion, Mr. Knapp <br /> and I, about what these words mean. The word "Use" has come <br /> up directly where we have been using terms like diversion and <br /> use of waters of this river, and are basing our studies on <br />