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<br />-80- <br />MR. DODSON: We're off-site. All of our testing's been off-site. There <br />is a heap leach facility there, but it's not ours. <br />MR. MASSEY: Who is he? <br />MR. JOUFLAS: Yeah, give us a Warne, please. <br />MR. SHOEMACKER: My name is Herb Shoemacker, and I live in Colorado. <br />MR. JOUFLAS: And your expertise or whatever. How are you involved in <br />this? <br />MR: SHOEMAKER: A concerned citizen. A concerned citizen that, <br />interestingly enough, caught a similar operation about three years ago, that <br />.was pulled "a state of the art operation" that to the Land Mined Reclamation <br />• Division's credit, eventually they issued a 12-page list of deficiencies that <br />caused that permit to be withdrawn. And I led the fight for that. It's not a <br />great pleasure to do. <br />MR. MASSEY: I'd have to suggest that that's irrelevant evidence. <br />MR. JOUFLAS: Yeah. It is. <br />MR. BARRY: It is irrelevant. <br />MR. JOUFLAS: It is irrelevant. Okay. <br />MR. HOLDER: One thing went by me, I need to catch up with. There was <br />some drilling mud used that had antifreeze or something in it and that came in <br />barrels ? <br />MR. ORTEGA: Yes. <br />• <br />