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<br />-71- <br />MR. JOUFLAS: That gentleman there -- would you -- do you... <br />MR. VALDEZ: Yeah, I was just going to mention that... <br />MR. JOUFLAS: Who are you? Your name please? <br />MR. VALDEZ: MY name is Elmer Valdez. I'm a citizen and a resident of <br />Costilla County. I was just going to mention that I've seen in the past, when <br />we've had cloudbursts, you know, the water roaring down that Rito Seco and, <br />you know, this is first hand information. I have seen it. This is something <br />these people have not seen. And I don't care what kind of documentation they <br />have on paper and this kind of thing. I've seen it happen. Thin is why we're <br />here today. You see. Not because we feel that -- I'm not against the mine, <br />and I think these people understand that. But, I know that it c:an pose a <br />hazard to their community. And I don't care what kind of safety measures they <br />• might come up with. It can happen. It will happen. <br />MR. JOUFLAS: Yeah. I think what you're -- well what's the size of that <br />ditch? Your safeguard there? Two-hundred and twenty-eight -- <br />MR. HOLDER: Fifteen-eighty, actually. <br />MR. JOHNSON: Fifteen eighty-seven. <br />MR. JOUFLAS: Now, does anybody -- can anybody visualize how much water <br />that is? I can. And that's a lot of water. <br />MR. HALEPASKA: One-second foot is 450 gallons a minute, roughly. <br />MR. JOUFLAS: I know that. I know that. That's about the Colorado River <br />above that zero someplace, I think. At some stages. <br />u <br />