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<br />1 <br />~J <br /> 27 <br /> 1 MR. NAGEL: Yes. <br />' ' <br /> 2 MR. COOLEY: I still don <br />t quite understand how you <br />', 3 conn ect that with this problem. <br /> 4 MR. NAGEL: I connected it because the observations of <br /> 5 the erosion at the gate, the straight filling up with materiel <br /> 6 that Kerrie and I have both spoken of, and the visual damage were <br /> <br /> 7 all from the same storm event. <br />' 8 MR. COOLEY: I guess what I am having trouble with is <br /> 9 what did they do to cause that water to do this? <br />' 10 MR. NAGEL: Okay. That is a good question. And--but <br /> 11 let me just add a scribble on to this section here. What I think <br />1 12 h h <br />d i <br />h <br />i <br />h <br />t <br />h <br />i <br />d <br />h <br />b <br /> as nage <br />appene <br />e <br />ra <br />s t <br />a <br />there <br />as <br />een c <br />anges <br />n t <br />' 13 patt erns. And any time you pave an area--any time you straighten <br /> 14 out a drainage way--instead of a natural drainage situation where <br /> 15 you have that serpentine--and this is an elementary analysis--I <br /> 16 am not trying to oversimplify. <br /> 17 k wh <br />ou <br />et <br />B <br />t I thi <br />k <br />thi <br />i <br />E <br />t <br />P <br /> en y <br />g <br />u <br />n <br />you see <br />es <br />ar <br />s up <br />n <br />s <br />' 18 up on the high mountains and look down, very low drainage ways. <br /> 19 When you try to move that same volume oP water, and you are doing <br />~' 20 it. And you have this medium that that water is movinE; on, it <br /> 21 moves much Paster. <br />' 22 MR. O'CONNOR: You are saying that's caused t~ecause of <br /> 23- the berm. The berm is keeping the water on the roadway? <br /> 24 MR. COOLEY: Rather than letting it spread ou.t over <br />' 25 some bigger area? <br />