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9 1 Q. (BY MR. STUTZ) Do you believe a 1 MS. UTTERBACK-NOF M: Okay. All 2 sufficient number of tests were conducted on the site 2 right. Mr. Berry would have been the one who would 3 to determine where there were void spaces and possible 3 have had to make the decision then? 4 paths of hydrologic communication? 4 MR. HIM: I assume, but I -- 5 A. I mean, I can only say --make an 5 MS. UTTERBACK-NORM M: Okay. Thank 6 opinion on that in the area that we -- we tested. 6 you. 7 Q. Who directed you to test in that 7 MR. HILD: Sure. 8 specific area? 8 MR. JUSTUS: You're excused. 9 A. Discussions with Mr. Berry. 9 MR. HILD: Okay. Thank you. 10 MR. STUTZ: That's all the questions I 10 MR. JUSTUS: Next Snowcap would like to ll have. 11 call Mr. James Stover. 12 MR. SINGLETARY: Okay. Mr. Justus? 12 EXAMINATION 13 MR. JUSTUS: I don't have anything I13 BY MR. JUSTUS: 14 further on redirect. Thank you. 14 Q. Mr. Stover, you previously swore to tell 15 MR. SINGLETARY: Okay. 15 the truth yesterday. That obligation continues. would 16 MR. JUSTUS: Does the Board have any 16 you go ahead and please state your name and business 17 questions for Mr. Hild before — 17 address for the record. 18 W. UITERBACK-NOPMANN: I do. The tests 18 A. James Stover, 2252 North 7th Street, 19 that were decided upon, were they decided upon 19 Unit B, Grand Junction, Colorado. 20 mutually, or did Mr. Berry make the final decision on 20 Q. And where are you employed? 21 which tests should be conducted? 21 A. J.E. Stover &Associates. 22 MR. HIM: They were --Mr. Berry 22 Q. And what's your position at J.E. Stover 23 approached us on what may be useful testing in this 23 & Associates? 24 area for the objective of trying to find pathways from 24 A. President and consulting engineer. 25 the surface underground, and I offered up several 25 Q. Okay. Do you have any professional 182 184 1 methods based on, you know, cost and whatnot. 1 licensures or certifications? 2 And I think in the end it was mutual 2 A. Yes. I'm licensed in Colorado as a PE 3 discussion. I probably drove the discussion, but it 3 in 1982; in Utah in 2002. 4 was mutual agreement with Mr. Berry. 4 Q. Okay. Would you please summarize for 5 MS. UT1'ERBACK-NOR WN: In the 5 the Board your undergraduate education? 6 discussion with Mr. Berry, was there any discussion at 6 A. My college? 7 all of any role that the river could have played with 7 Q. Yes. 8 the rising and lowering of the water table, that it can 8 A. Okay. I received a bachelor of science 9 affect, that that would -- 9 degree in civil engineering from the University of Utah 10 MR. HILD: No, we did not discuss the 10 in 1972. 11 river. 11 Q. Okay. And would you please give a short 12 MS. UTT98ACK-NORMANN: Any reason why 12 summary of your employment history after college? 13 not? 13 A. Yes. I first went to work for Morrison- 14 MR. HILD: The river is several hundred 14 Knudsen. They were a large multinational construction 15 feet below where we were ding the tests. 15 company. I worked on a couple of earth fill a oankment 16 MS. UTTERBACK-NORMANN: Okay. 16 dams, helping plan on one of them. I worked in their 17 MR. HILD: Amin we were looking for 17 fabrication shop. 18 pathways for surface or near-surface water to possibly 18 And then I accepted an assignment to 19 migrate down. 19 move down to Rangely and work on the Rio Blanco oil 20 MS. UTTERBACK-NORMANN: But it couldn't 20 shale project. I worked there for four years. After 21 have migrated across and then gone up? �21 that I moved to Grand Junction to open up their area 22 MR. HILD: Well, again, that's a 22 office to support the oil shale industry, but, 23 hydrologic question. 23 unfortunately, the oil industry crashed in 1982. 24 MS. UTTERBACK-NORMANN: Right. 24 I was fortunate enough to negotiate a 25 MR. HILD: That's not my expertise. 25 consulting agreement with Powderhorn Coal Company, and 183 185