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<br />. <br /> <br />14 <br /> <br />nation of origin has inherent privileges and benefits that may be <br />denied the lower nation. <br /> <br />Secretary Hoover: <br />(giving Carpenter the dagger eyes, pushes back at him to assert authority <br />of chair) <br />Then it comes to this: the upper states want to take all the water <br />they can and be declared immune from litigation by the other States. <br /> <br />Mr. Carpenter: <br />~ndignantbutabashed) <br />We are entitled to freedom of attack from below. We cannot be <br />forced to just watch the waters flow away from us. <br /> <br />. <br /> <br />Secretary Hoover: <br />(Hoover turns away from and ignores Carpenter, turns to Carpenter's <br />greatest adversary in the negotiations, Arizonan Norviel, who has a <br />competing proposal) <br />I would like to know what Mr. Norviel's opinion is of Mr. <br />Carpenter's proposal. <br /> <br />Mr. Norviel: <br />(scornfully, also not looking at Carpenter, but pointedly at Hoover, <br />especially McClure and Scrugham, as if to warn them of the Upper Basin <br />danger to derail Lower Basin plans for a large project on the Lower River) <br />He always comes back to the same point- the upper basin <br />states cannot be limited by anything and are entitled to all that the <br />Maker of the World has put before them, without regard to the rights <br />of anybody else. <br /> <br />. <br /> <br />Mr. McClure: <br />(seems to have woken out of a weary lethargy then gains rhetorical steam) <br />I must be dull of comprehension, Mr. Chairman, but Mr. <br />Carpenter seems to me to take the position that Colorado must be <br />protected to an extent that would make her absolutely safe - <br />regardless of other interests. California clearly recognizes the rights <br />of those who put water to beneficial use. Yet, California does not <br />14 <br />