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\-'3'" ,..., ;; . j.;) FRYINGPAN-ARKANSAS PROJECT, COLORADO 51 Committee on the hasis of figures supplied by the Department of Agri- culture. The 1960 shift-over date, whell the whole ecollomy would shift from surplus to deficit is projected by that committee, not by the Bureau of Reclamatioll or not by me, as being about 198U. There will be adjustments within that trend, of course, up or down, as we progress. Mr. HOSMER. IR relation to the short-term prediction with respect to crop surpluses, in t.he next ]2 months ahead, even, do you have any confidence in ~hes~ long-range predictions? Mr. PAL~IEr... 1 e.'), sir; I clo. Mr. HOSMER. But you do not. have confidence in the short-range prediction? Mr. PALMER. No: I did not say that, let. me add. You have a num- ber of forces at work. One is a.s our population expands our land ava.ilable for crops is decreasing at the rate. of about a minion acres u. year. 'Ve are replnciug thai.. in part by clltting down timberland Rnd by t.rtlllsfe.rring land out of p:lstUl'e.. . Mr. HOSMER. And by a vastly accelerated productlOll per acre. :Mr. P.\L\IER. Yes, sir, this we are doing. Mr.Hos"ER. Yes. ~rl'. P.-\T.l\IER. By IflS0 01' :wno t.he- projections t,hat nre outlined in the Senate select committee report. indicate that YOll have to ha.ve a tremendous increase in prodnction per :lcro coupled wit.h the con- ,'or310n of lanel from pasture and timuel' tu attain the. necessary goals. May I snmma rize for the record 1 I will have to supply that. I thought I had the table here with me. Mr. HOSMER. I think the upshot of it is that these are estimates aRd they could be way off and thev could be fairly ace-urate. The ot.her thing I waRt. t'o ask about. is t.his "rapidly growiRg population in the area." It is upon this that you base the need for this $169,950,000. None of these new popnli is going to be \\"orking on these.farms, is it ~ Mr. PALMER. All of them would benefit by t.he project. Those that lived in the cities would benefit by improved domestic water supply, t.hose t.hat worked in tho industries would \l('nefit hy better job 01'- port.nnit.ies, ancl t.hose wlio han(lIed the pllcking' nlHl processing' indus. tries from the fact that they had crops and produce t.O benefit. by. ~fr. Hosl\fEn. :hfr. Palmer, mv question was on account. of the six- tenth of an acre-foot of water area that you are going to put on 208,500 acres or whatever it is; nre there going to be any of this increased population employed on the farms? :hfr. PALMER. As far us the area is concerned, ~[J". Hosmer, it is now, as has been t.est.ified, a fully developed a.ren. The challces of mass settleJJl,cnt, of course, are absent. , Ii"fr . "MER. Thlltisright. 'I . L'mR. But there won),] be people employed as I pointed out in Ii', '-'tIcking and pr,'Qcessing indust.ries that are not now employed. . ...HOS"ER. I "Insk yon about that later. All I want to ask Ubf}~lt, l10W is about t ,.rIns. Ho\\: mnny new jo .')~l farms, packing industry, municipal govern- ment., III to!a], all new' jobs that you anticipate will be created by reason of tIllS proJect! MI'. PALMER. 'We can develop a figure on that if I may supply it..