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~ ~ l"" (' ,501.0':;':' FRYINGPAN-ARKANSAS PROJECT, COLORADO that is true in all of these fields in the production of hay !LIld so on. And in my area we lmve Iitera]]y /!lop ~ho".sands of acres where we are paying farmers not to cut It anO It IS difficult for me to see how we can suggest that this is going to improve the situation by saying to another group that we are takiag Government dollars in your c!,"e and promotmg the future production of exact.!y the same commodItIes. That is a II, Mr, Chairman. Mr. HOSAfER. Does the gentleman y}eJd j , Mr. LANGEN. I will be happy to YIeld to the gentleman from Cah- iornin.. Mr. HOS>lER. You mentioned, Mr. Palmer, a shift over from a crop surplus country to a crop deficit country. \Vhen in time do your calculations indicate this shift over will occur! Mr, PAL'IER, As I recall, there are two sets of estimates prepared by the Department of Agriculture. The first of these projects that, under certain assumptioRs, the shift might comes as early as the later part of the 1960's. ~Ir. HOSMER. Nineteen when? Mr. PAUfER. The 1960's, toward 1970. I believe the cunsensus, how- ever, the figul'es that are the most highly regarded by the U.S. De- partment of Agriculture pe.ople now, are those figures that appear in the Senate Select Committee report that projects that somewhere about 1980. Mr. HOSMER. About 1980, Now we are still going up on a surplus scale; are we not! We have not hit the surplus peak yet, according to those figures, Mr. PALMER, No- Mr. HOSMER. V\'hen does that occur 1 Mr. PAL.rER. No; I am not sure I could agree with you on that. I think there are a number of things you have to consider separately. Mr. HOSAfER. I did not ask you to agree with me, I jnst asked you what the report shows as to when we hit the peak. Mr. P"\LMER. I "annot answer that without giving this little bit of explanation. Sf! long as you have an agricnltural policy that snp- ports prIces at n. glyen figure and puts no restrictions on ho\~ much of, that particular kind of crop an individual grows, you could con- cel~ably have an upward trend in that crop surplus figure over a long perIOd of years, Mr. HOSMER. These figures depenrl then wholly on what the farm- support laws of the couutry are; is that right! Mr, P,\L>IER, I t,hink they depend in part upon that, Mr. Hosmer. Again, I would like to point out thut so many of these t,hings are not within the control of any specific reclamation project. Mr. HOSMER, Just a minute now. 1 w,mt to point out the reason that 1 am asking you this question so that perhaps you could p:ive me a better answer. You stated flatly that we are going to shift over from a surplus to a deficit farm ec:onomy. And that we are rushing in under the wire essentially in the nick of time with the Fryingpan- Ar~"RSaS project. And I 'am trying to evaluate these figures npon whICh vou made, or UpOR which you base, these statements, Would you respond in that contexH ' , Mr. P AUrER. Yes, sir, and I would like also to poiRt out that the figures I gave you are those developed by the Seuate Select