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<br /> <br />we would want to block out. We would want to then offer exchange <br />programs or exchange sales in these programs with other major land- <br />owners in order to accomplish this better management for the future. <br />So in that sense I would say yes. As I see it now the allocation <br />will simply be the first step to address and identify those priority <br />areas that ought to be done first. The indications will then have <br />to come after the plan. <br /> <br />Mr. Slingerland. Generally speaking as I understand it you have <br />two or three tentative plans or something out now. Generally speak- <br />ing are the cases that you are suggesting, recommending much <br />change over the way the desert is being used now, except maybe off- <br />road vehicles? <br /> <br />Mr. Pfulb. That's an interesting question. When you say much <br />change I would say it probably will. But it reflects the, I think, <br />some of the basic philosophy in the new legislation which in itself <br />is going to bring about the change and it probably would whether the <br />plan was adopted or not. The plan will be, will give direction I <br />believe and logic and direction to that change that would have been <br />created because of the legislative trend, because of the legislative <br />and policy changes that are taking place. Maybe one or two examples: <br />We can, we have been dealing with the demands for energy facilities <br />on a project by project basis. I think in most every case the applicants <br />for these projects would much prefer to know in advance where it's <br />most likely or least likely that their projects might be successful. <br />If this plan is successful and I think it will be, we will be dealing <br />then with these things on a regional, a total basis. Giving, using <br />existing information, as the work projects are now proposed and where <br />there likely to be proposed in the future, based on energy needs and <br />then linking that up with areas of highest probability of environmental <br />values, things that can be affected or least affected by energy facilities, <br />we expect to be able to identify at least regions or areas that would <br />help them. Now, this is a different approach and so in that sense <br />it still does not take the place of the fact when an application is <br />filed for a specific proposal that is going to have to be addressed <br />specifically. But the data we have collected should at least help <br />in selecting the wisest possible alternative, before you put that <br />investment in the kind of detailed studies that will have to be made <br />for each project. This is a good example too of going back to what <br />Phil was talking about. Ideally this, kind of thing should be extended <br />beyond the boundaries of the desert, because most of these projects <br />particularly the ones on transmission lines of course originate <br />outside of the boundaries of the desert and come in the demands for <br />these three proposals from out of state. At least the generation <br />of the plans, not always. There are sources within the desert in <br />the public. There are sources within the desert in the future, that <br />we will have to address like geothermal steam also. But the point <br /> <br />B-14 <br />