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<br />('.:) <br />, :-~) <br /> <br />~ <br />0") <br />c.~.., <br />c.n <br /> <br />Q. How do you view the Repayment Cont1'act? <br />A. I would say that the District $ot a very <br />good deal. There are older peqple in the <br />Bureau that may resent that (t;he terms), <br />but it's water under the hridge.l.ft's go on <br />down the road and cooperate 4nd be a <br />partner and not get hung up about it. <br />Q. When you look back on the 1976 flood, <br />what comes to mind? . <br />A. Well, we had just premiered the C- BT <br />movie "Green Echoes of Snow:" and that <br />evening I took Zenas Blevins (Chief of <br />Water and Land Operations) t~ Fort <br />Collins for dinner. We saw tht$e terrible <br />plack clouds on our way up to Fort Collins. <br />Back at home. about midnight, libeaed that <br />. the siphon had been taken out fin the <br />canyon. ' <br /> <br />especially below the dam where there was <br />so much debris. We did return the funds <br />borrowed from the District which had <br />enabled us to get started right away without <br />seeking a loan from Congress. <br /> <br />Ray Willms: <br />Q. Did you make any changes when you took <br />overl <br />A. Some changes in organization and <br />emphasis. I don't think anything really <br />significant. There's not much that a <br />manager can do to change the direction of <br />the Bureau. Perhaps I have put more <br />emphasis on how we administer oilr <br />contracts, and we worked out a <br />cost~sharing agreement for raising the <br />. Horsetooth dams. <br /> <br /> <br />Big Thompson Flood. The'siphon over ighway 34 was carried away with the flood waters <br /> <br />Q. Wha, did you do then? , <br />A. Zenas checked the flow on hi. way <br />home; thought we had about 10,~ cfs <br />running in the river, but when I he*d that <br />the siphon was out, I knew that so~ething <br />much bigger was happening. .' <br />Q. How did the Bureau work with the District? <br />A. Earl (Phipps) came tight dowrj to my <br />office and asked what he could dd,. I said <br />that the best thing he could do was tp get <br />a pump started to pump water to those <br />people who had been cut off wherl the <br />siphon went down. Not only did q,e <br />District do that, but they offered Us <br />approximately $400,000 that was il> their <br />Contingency Fund to get started ",ith the <br />rebuilding. . <br />Q. What else happened? , <br />A. We got the Big Thompson Power!J'lant <br />back in operation. It was knocked OU~, and <br />within a week we had it back in openition. <br />That was a real challenging job, arid <br />although we didn't realize it at the (time, <br />it prepared us for the Lawn Lake Dam1break <br />in 1982. ' <br />Q. What was thetotalcostofrepairingj1{>od <br />domage? i <br />A. It cost us about $750,000. Wehad:quite <br />a bit of work to do up at Lake Este~1 <br /> <br />Q. Has the Washington Bureau leadership <br />been changing? <br />A. I think so. I think we are in a <br />transitional role with our irrigation <br />projects. The Bureau is placing'less <br />emphasis on going out and building <br />facilities and more emphasis on alternative <br />solutions. I think we are in a considerable . <br />state of flux right now, as we have been <br />for several years, searching for what the <br />role of the Bureau should really be under <br />a changing economy and changing budgets. <br />Q. Does this situation radiate down ,hrough <br />the chain of command? <br />A. We feel that it doesj not in real concrete <br />terms, but in lots of little things. We have <br />budget problems. Morale problems aren't <br />too bad in a project like this, because an <br />operating project is fairly stable. The <br />transfer of facilities to Northern has a <br />certain morale fallout, because a certain <br />amount of our people see our turf going to <br />someone else. Probably the biggest <br />uncertainty came from the transfer of water <br />and power facilities when the Department <br />of Energy was formed. <br />Q. What do you see as the future role of the <br />Bureau and the District? <br />A. I see the Bureau's role, I guess, in the <br /> <br />future staying about the way it is nOWj at <br />least, as I view our role as having the basic <br />responsibility for managing water supply in <br />the power systems. The District has the <br />primary role of managing the distribution <br />of water to the users in the facilities related <br />to it. I don't think this role has changed <br />substantially over the past, probably since <br />the project was built. I think thar they <br />(NCWCD) have always had the primary <br />role as far as distribution of water to the <br />users, and I think that we.have.always had <br />the primary role of developing the water <br />supply and managing the mainstem of the <br />project that. would bring .the water from <br />Granby into Horsetooth, and, of course, <br />the power generation. <br />Q. Do the Bureau and the Distric, have a <br />partnershiP? <br />A. I thin~ th(!.t's fair. I suppose. there's some <br />change .in the role. Probably 15 years ago <br />we had an enormous technical advantage <br />over the, District in most areas. 1 would- <br />gUess that doesn't exist any more. <br />Q. Do the Bureau and the Districtshare what <br />they have .with each other? <br />A. We do to a certain extent. They <br />- certainly provide us with advice on water <br />operations. We provide them with advice <br />on the mechanical and electrical issues. For <br />example, we have the expertise to rewind <br />the Granby generators; they will probably <br />realign the Granby units with the windings <br />that are moved. <br />Q; Is there much conflict with the District? <br />A. Not really. .The maximum power <br />production occurs with the maximum <br />movement of water from the West Slop'e <br />to the East Slope. The only problem <br />develops when it becomes necessary to take <br />'a power unit out of service {or <br />maintenance, whereas on the water side, <br />you can bring water over for ten months, <br />and shue down the system for repair and <br />maintenance for two months. <br />Coordinating maximum power <br />p'roduction with the optimum water <br />disttibution requires careful planning. <br />Q. SO there really aren', any conflicts with the <br />District? <br />A. I am not.aware of one. As far as I am <br />aware, the District recognizes, the need to <br />keep the power system intact through the <br />spring, and they have never advocated <br />operatihg otherwise. They are somewhat <br />uncomfortable with the level of <br />maintenance; particularly the Charles <br />Hansen Feeder Canal, but they have never <br />really pushed us hard to take it out for a <br />longer period of time and do more <br />maintenance on it. <br />Q. What are the big issues facing the Bureau <br />in the future? <br />A. Right now we have an insufficient <br />amount of money for O. & M. We could <br />use several million dollars over a ten..year <br />period. Graham..Rudman across..the~board <br />cuts have hurt us. Some of the power <br />equipment is wearing out. <br /> <br />23 <br />