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<br />qq~~ <br /> <br />MR. STAPLETON: <br /> <br />MR. SPARKS: <br /> <br />\-' <br /> <br />"All right, Senator, we will certainly <br />note that in the record. <br /> <br />Larry, at this point I think you may <br />want to continue with your discussion of <br />the bill." <br /> <br />I <br /> <br />"I think perhaps I can put this thing <br />in a different perspective in this manner. <br />In the first place, with regard to water <br />shortages, no shortage will ever exist in <br />the Upper Basin until such time as we curtail <br />our uses to make up the 75,000,000 acre-feet <br />of delivery at Lee Ferry. Obviously, we are <br />never short until we actually reduce uses. <br />We have never reduced any uses in the Upper <br />Basin. It is-our opinion those uses will <br />not have to be reduced until sometime around <br />1990. The figures that Governor Johnson has <br />given you here are based upon a historic <br />ten-year flow of the river. If you take into <br />consideration only that period and project <br />the ultimate upper Basin use, you come up <br />with shortages. But the actual fact is, we <br />have never reduced any use in the Upper Basin <br />to date. We are not short of water until we <br />do curtail uses. You can't be short anything <br />until it is taken away from you. <br /> <br />We think our studies are essentially <br />correct when you take into consideration <br />reservoir storage and project it through a <br />longer period of time; that is, either <br />through 1921-1964 or through 1914-1964. <br />Shortages do not occur until people are denied <br />water and we are not being denied any water <br />today. <br /> <br />The second point that I would like to I <br />make. to get this legislation back into a <br />more proper perspective, is that no Central <br />Arizona Project nor a hundred Central Arizona <br />projects will change the flow physically <br />available in the Upper Basin. There is only <br />one reason that we are concerned about the <br />Central Arizona Project or any other project <br />