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<br />I <br /> <br />I <br /> <br />whatever you say, we are going to have some strip-mining until we can <br />get the energy. There are a few areas that the Governor and Mr. Sherman <br />are looking into. We wanted you to know of that aspect of it because <br />it is a whole new look at the project. <br /> <br />Senator Hart: Well, around here the junior people speak first, and <br />then, when they have made fools out of themselves the seniors will <br />reverse them. <br /> <br />Two observations. One is that I would want to look at any project like <br />that, and I know the specific one you are referring to. I would want <br />to know what the benefits to the people of Colorado would be in that <br />particular area, statewide. <br /> <br />Second, I think your observation about the Secretary of the Interior is <br />exactly right. He does represent a national point of view that says <br />that the State of Colorado and states like it which are energy rich are <br />going to have to bear probably a disproportionate burden of the energy <br />bill for several decades. <br /> <br />I think that puts a tremendous counter-burden on people like Floyd and <br />myself, other people, duly elected representatives, the Governor and <br />others, to guarantee that in the rush of this country to provide addi- <br />tional energy supplies, a lot of which in the current usage pattern are <br />being wasted, the de~ree to which we should permit our State to be - <br />I don't want to say destroyed" in that process. I, for one, feel very <br />strongly that the burden to prevent that from happening is on us. We <br />are going to have a shortage of energy in the future, but I don't think <br />it is going to be such that we need to destroy the State of Colorado, <br />or even particular areas in the state in the process. <br /> <br />Senator Haskell: Mr. Sherman mentioned the Governor's viewpoint yesterday <br />afternoon. I have not yet received the letter. I would subscribe to <br />what Ga;r said. After all, our state has got to look what's in it for <br />us. I t.,ink Secretary Morton on the state issue erred a little bit, <br />saying that the federal government is going to say, "The hell with <br />Colorado" because the federal govertU'1ent can I t do that; number one. <br /> <br />And, number two, the strip-mining bill has gone through the House and <br />Senate by such a margin to override a veto, at least in my opinion. <br />This specifically not only provides a standard, but guarantees states <br />the right to adopt laws affecting public lands, as well as private lands. <br /> <br />So, I think if a state has sufficient resources, clout, put it that <br />way, to protect the interest of the state, I would look at a project as <br />to what it is going to do to employment. I am basically for the state, <br />and frankly the fact that the energy happens to go out of the state is <br />not of tremendous concern to me. What is of concern to me is what type <br />of employment opportunities it will provide; what other benefits it <br />will provide; the environmental question. The fact that the energy <br />generated goes out of the state is not of great concern to me. <br /> <br />Mr. Stapleton: Do any other Board members have questions they would like <br /> <br />-59- <br />