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MR. KROEGER: Mr. Chairman, I am wondering what action we should take,. I think this requires strong effort on our part. Apparently, even if we get our bill through -the Senate, it looks obvious that the President will veto it. I think we need to be very forceful, not particularly as you have indicated, politically,_but in :general. MR. STAPLETON: -Larry, Mr., Sherman and the Governor have been- right 0)1 I top of this., Unless I heard some recommendation from them, I,think, there is very little that can be done before November. I am sure we want to encourage our congressional ,people to go forward. I think our views have been expressed in Grand Junction and all up and down. It is up to the,congressional delegation ,and the Governor to do the best they can under very, very difficult odds to implement that. We have a high level.board here, but :evidently ,it has :to be at a :higher,echelon if we are going to effect any results at all., I think we ought to be supportive of those people. The Colorado Water Congress is a private organization and should be getting in ~- :and I know they are. We need that sort of vigilante attitude to make some kind of impression_ eventually with the Administration. MR. -SPARKS: I might add on that point, Mr. Kroeger, that _everythi~g that the President has proposed requires some action other than his press remarks. Many of the things that he nas set ,forth require congressional action. Other things .require executive action in the way of the promulgation of a regulation or new procedures in planning. We will have a chance one by one, _as they ,come up, to fight the President's proposals., At a meeting yesterday of the Upper Colorado River Commission, one member of the audience said that by latest count, there had been some, 69,000 regulations issued by the,federal government during:the past year. A lot of these that the President is talking aoout would be:by regulation, and these would be very difficult to get at. We have a direct approach to Congress through our elected senators and repre- sentatives. -In the executive branch, none of those people are elected besides the President. We now have a government by regulation -- not by legislation any more. Our lives are regulated largely by people we don't even know or elect. _ This is the fault of Congress. :Congress can stop it at any time. I We don't have to accept what ,the President says. We:will have an opportunity as each point is raised to do something about it. MR. KROEGER: I guess the thing that disturbs me is that by saying nothing or implying-that we don't like it, I, feel it is just not enough. I think we have conservancy districts and conservation boards and action --18-