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<br />is time you get into it. I think they should know. <br />this have on any possibility of fire control by the <br />timber from the White River National Forest? Is it <br />because of that dead timber? <br /> <br />What effect would <br />removal of the dead <br />not a fire hazard <br /> <br />Mr. Hauk: Well yes, but it hasn't, thank God:, We were quite concerned <br />and we still are. We could get a catastrophic fire in there which I <br />would burn at least a great percentage of that dead spruce because we <br />are getting an under story now. You might say a s~tuation of firs, <br />alpine firs, and so on, rather than Engle~ann spruce. ~nd this could <br />very well happen, but a lot of people and even some members of the <br />Forest Service feel that wild fires in certain areas are part of nature. <br />We are beginning to think this way. For example, in the very high <br />altitude are?s like in the Maroon Bells-Snowmass country, we get a <br />lightning fire in a patch of spruce up high. We may just let it burn <br />because in order to get in there and fight that thing, we might do more <br />damage than good. <br /> <br />Mr. Barnard: Well, was it not part of, the proposal <br />some of that dead timber so as to reduce the fire? <br />Forest Service attitude with the Crown Zellerbach? <br /> <br />originally to market <br />Was that not the <br /> <br />Mr. Hauk: Years ago, yes. <br /> <br />Mr. Barnard: That timber is still dead, isn't it? <br /> <br />Mr. Hauk: Oh, yes. <br /> <br />Mr. Barnard: And it still burns? <br /> <br />Mr. Hauk: Right around Heart Lake and Deep Lake, there was quite a bit <br />of logging going on up there back in the 50's, in the late 50's, to <br />get rid of that dead spruce. But this was outside of the existing <br />primitive area. That was to go for the pulp and so forth, and they had <br />big plans just like a lot of these hydroelectric projects, but they <br />ran into economic problems. So the big paper companies gradually just <br />dropped the thing and now the spruce is to a point where other than <br />firewood it is useless. <br /> <br />Mr. Barnard: Then there will be no reasonable method of taking that I <br />dead timber out.of there for any purpose whether it be for fire pro- <br />tection or for firewood. <br /> <br />Nr. Hauk: In the Wilderness Act there is a provision that in the public <br /> <br />-34- <br />