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<br />Mr. Sta~leton: I think we all represent the general public or think <br />we do, but sometimes there is disagreement about that. <br /> <br />Mr. Barrows: Right. <br /> <br />Mr. Stapleton: And that possible disagreement is what I am trying to <br />focus on, if I can today. <br /> <br />Mr. Smith: My name is Marvin Smith. I am also with the Division of <br />Wildlife and I happen to live in GlLnwood Springs where most of these <br />recommendations originated. And in response to your question, yes, I <br />have been up and down the valley and touched base with every segment of <br />the people that I know how to touch base with so that they are aware of <br />what we are endeavoring to do and what we are asking for. And many of <br />them did come to us in full support of what we are endeavoring to do. <br /> <br />Mr. Mose s : May I add something to that, Mr. Chairman? Obviiously, what <br />the board does here is only authorize the application for these rights. <br />They are then published, along with every other water right application. <br />There are a lot of organizations throughout the state who do take the <br />time and trouble to look at these notices. If any of them feel that <br />they are unreasonable, I don't think there is any question that they <br />will step forward to be heard before there is any decree entered. <br /> <br />The board's action is merely the implementing step. The water court has <br />the final jurisdiction. The water court by law is charged with con- <br />sulting with the division engineers in connection with every application <br />before a decree is entered. <br /> <br />1 <br /> <br />Mr. Hobbs: I would be very interested in knowing in more detail the <br />kind of study that you undertake in terms of analyzing the minimum <br />stream flow in relation to the ecosystem you are talking about. Does <br />this include all present plant and anbnal habitat that is included <br />along this portion of the stream? How much of a margin of protection <br />have you built in to maintaining the present ecosystem? <br /> <br />Mr. Barrows: I doubt that I can answer the last part of your question, <br />the margin that we have for error. We are using standard hydrologic <br />and biologic methods, plus or minus 20 percent. And I think that is <br />pretty good. Ninety-five, percent of the time we arel going to fall with- <br />in this range. We consult with not only Larry, but with USGS. The <br />first step is we do what we think is a fair job on the hydrology part. <br />Then we have to relate it to biology. Our interest is in wildlife. <br />We pretty well know what a fish needs. We do a biological inventory <br />at the same time we do our hydrological investigation. So we know what I <br />is there at a given flow. Then by using a cross section, a stream <br />profile method, which is called a critical area method, we are able to <br />determine the flow requirements. We can pretty well determine at what <br />level the stream flow should be in order to maintain the existing <br />fishery or the existing wildlife habitat. <br /> <br />Mr. Hobbs: It does include vegetation? <br /> <br />Mr. Barrows: As far as I am concerned, when it says environment, it <br /> <br />-11- <br />