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<br />I <br /> <br />I <br /> <br />MR. HlLENSKI: <br />MR.. BEISE: <br />MR. NELSON: <br /> <br />MR. SPARKS: <br /> <br />areas from which the water will come and why <br />the results of that couldn't be reflected in <br />some proposed operation as suggested by ~tr. <br />Danielson. <br /> <br />That's about all I can add to this. I <br />see nothing insurmountable I Larry, in consid- <br />ering these factors because we all know, as <br />I said once before, that we ~ill never get <br />any federal legislation, and we certainly <br />~ill never get any state legislation, if in <br />a problem in one valley ~e have interests <br />at complete odds. Only by getting the groups <br />together are you going to get any legislation <br />and the only way you are going to get any <br />legislation, in my opinion, is to let Wally <br />Doe, engineer, loose and come up with some' <br />answers to some of these things that Frank: <br />and Phil sincerely urge. The irrigators do <br />have a dual role. They are sportsmen. They <br />are interested and, if a plan can be devised <br />which will not be at the expense of the irri- <br />gators, the irrigators will be for the plan. <br />Don't you agree with that, Frank?" <br /> <br />"I think they will." <br /> <br />"I think that's about all I have to say." <br /> <br />"Larry, do you have anything further to <br />say?" <br /> <br />"In answer to what Mr. Danielson suggested <br />about the silt studies, Mr. Gildersleeve, our <br />Deputy Director, ran some studies on the <br />siltation at the face of the dam. For the <br />period of 1951 to 1957 there was one foot of <br />siltation at the face of the dam. The serious <br />sil tation occurred in one year..as you have <br />already mentioned. Of course what we expect <br />in the future is that upstream reservoirs <br />such as the proposed Trinidad Project and the <br />proposed Fryingpan-Arkansas will virtually <br />eliminate those serious silt conditions. <br />There is no serious silt condition from year <br />to year. It's in these extreme flash floods <br />that occur that cause the trouble. With the <br />increased siltation pools upstream such as <br />proposed in the Pueblo and Trinidad Projects, <br />we will materially reduce the siltation to <br />John Martin and cut it below a foot in six <br />