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I <br />trying to work for the common good, it was evident each state and federal agency has their own <br />interests and agenda. Some use ESA to "...affect how water is used and how people live in the <br />West." For example, some use ESA as a club and insist on free flowing rivers. As Commissioner, <br />Eluid tried to implement ESA while protecting existing users by reoperating projects, leasing water <br />and purchasing water from willing sellers. However, "There isn't enough money in the Federal <br />Treasury to buy out every irrigator." With respect to the silvery minnow and the Rio Grande, he <br />noted the fish have survived and will be here after we're gone. Still, values have changed and we <br />need to preserve as best we can what's good about this country, while trying to meet new demands <br />for water. Many issues take years to resolve. <br />Tom Turney, New Mexico State Engineer, summarized water law in the state, which was <br />originally based on Spanish law, which recognized water scarcity. He noted it is easy to forget it is <br />a desert state with a finite water supply, but that is becoming ever more evident as growth puts stress <br />on available surface and ground water supplies. Albuquerque and Santa Fe rely mostly on ground <br />water, but both own water in the federal San Juan -Chama Project, which includes the transfer of <br />water from the Colorado River Basin in Colorado to New Mexico and the Rio Grande. The Rio <br />Grande is subject to an interstate compact and international treaty. New Mexico is party to nine river <br />compacts, and water managers are always concerned about a possible compact call. New Mexico <br />has had to pay Texas for underdeliveries on the Pecos River, and is leasing water, providing other <br />financial incentives, and purchasing water from users in New Mexico to try to ensure future <br />deliveries. "Everyone wants all the water they can get, and there is not enough for everyone." The <br />goal is to balance needs and uses. Some of the available tools include water planning, metering <br />water diversions and return flows, and modeling surface and ground water relationships. With <br />respect to endangered species, the State Engineer is working collaboratively with the U.S. Fish and <br />Wildlife Service (FWS) to achieve compliance. <br />Norm Gaume, Director of the New Mexico Interstate Stream Commission, noted that ESA <br />issues have been raised on all the major rivers in the state. He mentioned Congress' policy statement <br />regarding resolving water resource issues in concert with the conservation of endangered species. <br />With respect to the Rio Grande and the silvery minnow, he noted that state had offered a proposed <br />short-term settlement that would put more water in the river, which was signed before the symposia <br />ended. As part of that agreement, Albuquerque agreed to sell some of its San Juan -Chama water to <br />preserve instream flows for the fish. However, as the water in storage is depleted, similar actions <br />won't be an alternative in the future. There is barely enough water now to meet present and future <br />needs, with out FWS demands. The Rio Grande is a relatively small river, with a wide, shallow <br />channel, and two - thirds of its depletions are natural. Evapotranspiration is a significant loss. He <br />also briefly described Pecos River issues. Texas filed suit over compact violations in 1974. The <br />Pecos is one -tenth the size of the Rio Grande. It is home to the endangered bluntnose shiner. A five - <br />year study of the needs of the fish continues. A biological consulting firm hired by the state initially <br />accompanied FWS on populations surveys, which found no fish, and they are no longer invited to <br />come along. FWS denied the state's request to conduct its own surveys. Other questions remain: <br />What are the flow requirements for the fish? What are its habitat and food? While there is not <br />enough information to determine a base -line population, there is evidence that a static population <br />21 <br />