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13 1 <br />1 <br />2 <br />3 <br />4 <br />5 <br />6 <br />7 <br />8 <br />9 <br />10 <br />11 <br />12 <br />13 <br />14 <br />15 <br />16 <br />17 <br />18 <br />19 <br />20 <br />21 <br />22 <br />23 <br />• 24 <br />25 <br />i <br />MR, BARRY: I just have one additional comment on <br />evidence of mining. I don't think we have been consistent. <br />At least my memory is that we have not always taken a letter <br />from some complainant and used that as evidence that somebody <br />mined. We have generally said that we need somebody. I under <br />stand that there is some witnesses in the circumstances here, <br />but, you know, I don't want to set a pattern of saying Joe <br />Blow complains that his brother-in-law is mining gravel. <br />MR McARDLE: We don't take Joe Blow's word. We're <br />taking sworn affidavits and if we are not going to accept <br />that then, I think I could tell the Staff rather than waste <br />our time, you know, if we see them operating one day, that's <br />it because it takes an incredible amount of Lou's time, my <br />time, Shelton's time. <br />MR. BARRY: I don't question the use of affidavits <br />at all. If those letters were affidavits, that is fine. <br />MR. SHELTON: They were not from the complainant. i <br />These were the companies being supplied. So they can't grind <br />an ax. <br />MR. WOODS: This is not -- you don't have to prove <br />beyond a reasonable doubt. TIZe application is here and has <br />not seen fit and has not explained why he is mining without <br />a permit. <br />MR. McARDLE: The only letter would be a letter <br />from, say, county or a governmental agency and that is the <br />ever.+~c.axvh.~~Ir.es a.i.~nu.are.r.n( <br />(rrq(~rvl ehnrrhun.l N~pu.r, n <br />1!011 ('hrm nUr trawl <br />Lurlnun. (.d,~roJo dell 'l <br />