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25 <br /> 1 gotten around to it," getting together with us at that point. <br />• 2 It caasn't a total shock. If you go down in <br /> 3 the civil penalty guidelines, your willful violations versus <br /> 4 negligence and so on, it works out to about half and half <br /> 5 kind of situation in that they have not actively and diligently <br /> 6 pursued any permitting requirements. <br /> 7 They violated the law probably with knowledge. <br /> g I couldn't say; that is a foregone conclusion. <br /> 9 They did not continue to mine after notification <br /> 10 by the Division and they did cease. In this case, leaving <br /> 11 a documented history of mining without a permit, well, there's <br /> 12 another pit. They may say they haven't mined it; they were <br />• 13 loading gravel the day I got there. Call that what you will. <br /> 14 They may have only been removing from the stockpile. <br /> i5 MS. WINTER: Mark, this says a willful <br /> 16 violator falls into only one category. They may fall under <br /> 17 two or three of them, so there is no question about it; they <br /> 1$ are willful. <br /> 19 MR. LOYE: Yes, they're willful. <br /> 20 Now willful means maybe the upper half. ire <br /> 21 they very caillful or not? So I just picked a number. il?e <br /> 22 20 days came from the fact that I know I could document that <br /> 23 it took them--you know, no matter if you work all out, <br /> 24 excavating and everything else,in one shot. <br /> <br /> 25 Obviously, I could document 20 days. Heck, <br /> EI/EE ~'CAFPEA TER ,i :LSSO C/a7E'S. lSC <br /> CrndvJ Shm:hen.! Frpc.rr.~ <br /> l ipp CL .ri ~~dlr RueJ <br /> Ludn on. Cnlnradu d(~1.'I <br /> <br />