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129 <br /> i detail was involved. I 1 the south portal. <br /> 2 But we did look at it because I 2 As indicated in my report --my May 9 <br /> 3 recall looking -- we were trying to figure out 3 report, we conducted -- I conducted a subsequent <br /> 4 precisely how the water from that far above the 4 reconnaissance in Septenber of 2015. At that time <br /> 5 portal made it all the way to the portal without 5 it was Tonya Hammond and myself were visiting the <br /> 6 seeping out of the -- the rock as it occurs on the 6 site. <br /> 7 outcrops on previous -- I guess it would be Figure 7 The ditch and pond were both dry. <br /> 8 4 -- or D, Figure -- previously identified Figure D. 8 However, a large test hole had been dug at the <br /> 9 There is a ravine that runs between 9 bottan of the Carey Pond, and two additional deep <br /> 10 the Fontanari Tract 71 and the south portal, and we 10 excavations had been -- or sorry -- yeah -- had been <br /> 11 hiked up -- Ms. H&Wnd and I with Snowcap Coal I11 excavated elsewhere on that property -- on the <br /> 12 hiked up the ravine and were unable to identify any I12 Fontanari property. <br /> 13 water emanating frauu the rock outcrops. 13 Q. All right. What were you able to <br /> 14 And so, again, part of it was 14 observe regarding the soil on the site? <br /> 15 preliminarily trying to figure out how the water got 15 A. The soil consisted of a boulder, <br /> 16 from A to B. 16 cobbly, gravelly material in a clay matrix. <br /> 17 Q. Did you observe the structures 17 However, the material was fairly hanogenous in its <br /> 18 referred to as the Carey Pond and the Fontanari 118 condition. There wasn't any evidence of holes or <br /> 19 trench? 19 cracks or anything that would be indicative of -- <br /> 20 A. Yes. 20 leading to sinkhole formation. <br /> 21 Q. Okay. And did you observe the water 21 Q. All right. Did you visit with <br /> 22 within those? 22 anybody during that -- during that trip? <br /> 23 A. No. At that time there was no water 23 A. We actually ran into a drilling <br /> 24 in either of those structures. I24 contractor who was in the process of drilling <br /> 25 Q. Okay. Thank you. And this is in -- I25 borings for Mr. Fontanari. The drilling contractor <br /> 129 131 <br /> 1 A. June 2014. 1 indicated that they had drilled holes to 60 feet in <br /> 2 Q. Okay. All right. Ay don't we go 2 depth and had not encountered bedrock. So that <br /> 3 ahead and turn to your May 9 report, &h bit 31. 3 indicated that the mine workings were below that. <br /> 4 All right. You just described your initial 4 Q. All right. Let me change subjects <br /> 5 reconnaissance. You were here for Mr. Hild's 5 for a second. I anticipate this is going to be an <br /> 6 testimony, weren't you? 6 issue. Could you describe to me your understanding <br /> 7 A. Yes. 7 of how sinkhole features generally develop and might <br /> 8 Q. All right. Are you familiar with 8 allow hydrologic ication? <br /> 9 Figure A2 of his report -- with his first report? 9 A. In general to get the high volume of <br /> 10 A. Is that his -- which figure is A2? 10 water that was transmitted in this particular case <br /> 11 Q. Figure 2. I'm sorry. 11 and happens in general sinkhole formation, you have <br /> 12 A. Yes. 12 to have a fairly open pathway, and the way sinkholes <br /> 13 Q. All right. And you're familiar with 13 typically develop is from the bottom. <br /> 14 this area? 14 You end up with an open cavity in the <br /> 15 A. Yes. 15 subsurface, whether it's in limestone or a mine void <br /> 16 Q. All right. And are you familiar with 16 or something to that effect, and as water moves <br /> 17 the sinkhole features identified at the north end of 17 through the soil slowly, you start to get loss of <br /> 18 that area? 18 the soil material into the void. <br /> 19 A. Yes. 19 And the water starts to move more <br /> 20 Q. Okay. All right. In your initial 20 quickly, and that -- we call it a throat -- <br /> 21 reconnaissance did you do any observations with 21 propagates fran the subsurface void up to the <br /> 22 respect to the pond? 22 surface, and that's when you get what we actually <br /> 23 A. The first time in 2014 it was a 23 term a sinkhole -- expression of the sinkhole at the <br /> 24 sinQle reconnaissance of the general site 24 ground surface. <br /> 25 conditions, again, trying to evaluate the impacts on 25 Q. Okay. Based on your understanding of <br /> 130 132 <br />