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<br />Mr. ALLOTr. Mr. President. this
<br />amendment relates to the share which
<br />Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands would
<br />obtain of the Federal Government's con-
<br />tribution. In view of the large amount
<br />of money that the Federal Government
<br />spends to support both of those areas, I
<br />have suggested that the sum or 50 per-.
<br />cent be inserted In lieu of 6673 percent.
<br />Mr. ANDERSON. The committee Is
<br />prepared to accept the amendment.
<br />The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without
<br />objection. the amendment Is agreed to.
<br />Mr. ALLQ'IT. Mr. President. I send
<br />to the desk an amendment and ask for
<br />Its Immediate consideration.
<br />The PRESIDING OFFICER. The
<br />amendment wlll be stated.
<br />Tbe LEGISLATIVE CLERK. On page 25.
<br />ltne 23, It is proposed to strike the perfod.
<br />and Insert In Heu thereof the following:
<br />"not to exceed $7,500,000 for the next
<br />fiscal year -beginning after the date of
<br />ena.ctment of this Act, and tor each of
<br />the two succeeding 1l.scal years there-
<br />after."
<br />Mr. ALLO'IT. Mr. President, I have'
<br />offered this amendment because, as I
<br />have said many times on the floor of the
<br />Senate, I do not believe in open.end
<br />'authorizations. The amendment merely
<br />places a limitation of $7.500,000 upon
<br />,the expenditures of each of the first 3
<br />fiscal years.
<br />Mr. ANDERSON. It does not, how-
<br />ever, mean that we are saying there shall
<br />be no. more appropriatioll8 at the end
<br />of that time, but lea.ves the question
<br />open to congressional review at that
<br />time?
<br />Mr. ALLO'IT. That Js correct.
<br />Mr. ANDERSON. Mr. President, on
<br />behalf of the committee, I am prepared
<br />to accept the amendment:
<br />Mr. ALLO'IT. The statement of the
<br />distinguished Senator from New Mexico
<br />Is entirely correct; but the blll as it was
<br />written provided tor an open-end au-
<br />thorization.
<br />The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without
<br />objection, the amendment i6 agreed to.
<br />Mr. ALLOTT. Mr. President, I send
<br />to the desk for immediate consideration
<br />an amendment pertaining to page 8,
<br />Une 1. I call the particular attention
<br />of the distinguished Senator .from Wy-
<br />oming [Mr. SIMPSON] to the amendment.
<br />The PRESIDING OFFICER. The
<br />amendment will be stated.
<br />The LEGISLATIVE CLERK. On page 8,
<br />line I, it 15 proposed to strike the perIod
<br />and. insert In Heu thereof: "Provided.
<br />That for the purposes of this Act wher-
<br />ever a river basin has been divided into .
<br />subbasIns by an Act of Congress or by
<br />an interstate compact to which the con-
<br />sent of Congress has been given, each
<br />subbasIn shall be treated as a separate
<br />basin."
<br />Mr. ALLOTT. Mr. President, the
<br />amendment is offered to allay the tears
<br />of many persons, including myself, as to .
<br />the extent to which the CommissIons
<br />could include other places and vast areas
<br />of land. It relates also to the colloquy;
<br />which was conducted earlier with the
<br />Senator from Vermont [Mr. AIK1:N]. the
<br />Senator from Ohio [Mr. LAuscml, and
<br />other Senators.
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<br />Mr. ANDERSON. Mr. President,
<br />throughout the colloquy, r have been
<br />sayIng that this Is what the bill means.
<br />Therefore, I certainly would be In no
<br />position to oppose the amendment.
<br />Therefore, I ask that the amendment be
<br />accepted.
<br />The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without
<br />objection. the amendment Is agreed to.
<br />Mr. ALLOTI'. Mr. PresIdent, I should
<br />like to in!:luIre of the distinguished Sen-
<br />ator from New Mexico concerning one
<br />further amendment which I have pre-
<br />pared in the alternative. My feelings
<br />Rre not too strong about. eIther proPosal,
<br />but I do prefer one. The amendment
<br />relates to page 10. Hne 6, the membership
<br />of the commissions.
<br />As the bill Is now constructed, the
<br />President could appoint an almost Indef-
<br />inite number of members to each basin
<br />commission. It Is not necessary to ex-
<br />plain th.ls in detail as it will become evl.
<br />dent by reading the bill. The amend-
<br />ment I propose to offer reads as follows:
<br />At the end of line 6, strike the semicolon
<br />and insert in lieu thereof: "Provided.
<br />That. the total Federal. membership 50-
<br />. appointed shall not exceed the state
<br />membership as hereinafter appointed:'
<br />Mr. AIKEN. IncludIng the chairman?
<br />Mr. ALLOTr. I will add "including
<br />t.he chairman. It
<br />I also have an amendment which
<br />reads: "shall not. equal or exceed."
<br />I prefer the one I first read. I should
<br />. like to have the reaction of the dlstin-
<br />gu15hed Senator from New Mexico.
<br />Mr. ANDERSON. I shall have to say
<br />to my friend from Colorado that I would
<br />not be In favor of that. amendment. I
<br />shall ten him why. The amendment
<br />preswnes there would be a vote. There
<br />would not be a vote. I do not want to
<br />have anything in the bill that would
<br />indicate there might. be a vote.
<br />A river compact might be entered Into
<br />by only 2 states. Therefore, that project
<br />would be limited to the Department of
<br />Health, Education. and Welfare and the
<br />Department of the Interior. I should
<br />like to be certain that representatives of
<br />the Federal Power Commission and vari-. .,.
<br />ous other groups concerned were present.
<br />I hope the Senator wlll not press the
<br />amendment, because I think It. would do
<br />what we do not want to have done. I
<br />think. it would establUih_ two classes of
<br />voters, Federal on one side, and state
<br />on the other. This would result in a
<br />shift In position that neither of us would
<br />like when we were finished with the blll.
<br />Mr. ALLOTT. I concur in the view
<br />that there shall not be voting. t do not
<br />think It Is necessary to draw this pro-
<br />posal out In thIs way; but I suggest to the
<br />distinguished Senator from New Mexico
<br />that In the case of a given river compact,
<br />several departments could be Involved;
<br />for example, the Department of the In-
<br />terior, the Department of Agriculture.-
<br />the Department of Commerce, and per-
<br />haps also the Federal Power Commission.
<br />Even, In some instances, the Interstate
<br />Commerce Commission might be tn-
<br />. valved. The Department. of Health"
<br />Education. and Welfare might be con...
<br />corned.
<br />In a!moot any Instance, there could be
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<br />an overwhelming majority of persons
<br />who represented solely the executive
<br />branch of the Government.
<br />Frankly. I am aware ot the problem
<br />that t.he Senator from New Mexico
<br />stated; that. In a two-State or a three-
<br />State compact, there mi~ht not be the
<br />representation that was desired. For
<br />example, in the case of a two. State com-
<br />pact. It might also be a necessity to have
<br />the Department of the Interior. the De.
<br />part.ment of Agriculture, and perhaps the
<br />Federal Power Commission represented.
<br />At the same time. 11 there were a compact
<br />among two, three, or four States, I can
<br />. readily conceive that the number of de-
<br />partments of GovE;rnment that mIght
<br />have an Interest. or that could be defined
<br />by the President to have an interest. In
<br />the particular basin could be composed
<br />of five, six, or eight persons.
<br />Therefore, even It no vote were cast
<br />by the representatIves of the Federal
<br />agencies, their presence there could over-
<br />.awe and dominate in connectIon with
<br />the activities of the commission.
<br />Perhaps the Senator has in mind a-
<br />better way to handle this matter. Both
<br />of us realize that this measure must be
<br />dealt with by the House of Representa-
<br />tives, which will work Its own .will on it.
<br />However, I do not. believe we should over-
<br />look this point, and I do not. think the
<br />State governments which have exam-
<br />ined it should have overlooked the pos-
<br />sibility of complete dominance by Ute
<br />Federal Government members of the.
<br />commission. I am frank to state that I
<br />do not know how to work out the mat-
<br />ter other than in this way.
<br />Mr. AIKEN. I understand that al-
<br />thoush t.he commissions ha.ve a. certain
<br />number of members. who represent Fed-
<br />eral Government. agencies. they do not
<br />determine, by vote, the course to be
<br />taken.
<br />Mr. ANDERSON. That is the very
<br />point I make.
<br />Mr. AIKEN. Furthermore, because ot
<br />the necessity for cooperation, it would
<br />be necessary for the representatives of
<br />t.he Federal Government and t.he repre-
<br />sentaUves of the States--whether 2
<br />States or 10 States are involved; per-
<br />haps there would not be 10,. but there
<br />might be-to agree. I beUeve the situa-
<br />tion would be different if only tWQ States
<br />were involved and if a number. of Fed-
<br />eral Government, agencies were repre-
<br />sented on the commission, and If the
<br />decisions to be arrived at. were reached
<br />by majority vote. Frankly. I had not
<br />thought before of this problem.
<br />Mr. ALLOTr. This Is the. point the
<br />Senator from. New Mexico has made in
<br />regard to a voting situation. I am frank
<br />to state that if there were a two-State
<br />or a three-State compact and it five or
<br />sIx Federal Government agencies were
<br />represented on the commission. the Fed-
<br />eral Government representatives could
<br />dominate the commission,. merely be-
<br />cause of their numbers; at least, there
<br />would be that tendency, in connection
<br />with the necessity to arrive at a con-
<br />senSus. This is one point about which I
<br />am very much concerned.
<br />. Mr. ANDERSON. Mr. President, wlll
<br />the Senator from Colorado yield?
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