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County
Douglas
Arapahoe
Community
Greenwood Village, Aurora
Stream Name
Cherry Creek
Basin
South Platte
Title
Probable Maximum Precipitation Study for Cherry Creek Reservoir - Related Technical Research Papers
Date
5/20/1990
Prepared For
CWCB
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CWCB
Floodplain - Doc Type
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<br />,) .' <br /> <br />; <br /> <br />question of envelopment I think, but I am not sure of the statement being made here wi1hout <br />additional information being indicated. <br /> <br />6. Page 2, paragraph 2. Where did you get1he statement 1hat "The ratio for the Cherry Creek <br />PMP study is "...roughly seven..."? From what you indicated earlier in this paragraph, I take it <br />that this is the ratio of PMP to 100 year precipitation but I am not sure of this or what area size <br />and duration (I assume it is 6- and or 24- durations and point data) your looking at for this . <br />reference. You can check table 6 of the NWSSS report for likely much of the supporting data in <br />this regard. However, you seem to question this factor as being extremely large and indicate the <br />need to for justification. I see that Mr. Fenn ofNWS states in the NWSSS report on page 6, <br />section 3, paragraph 2, the last sentence, that "the maximum point values at 6-, and 24- hours <br />from this study exceed the largest I OO-year return period precipitation in the Cherry Creek <br />Drainage by roughly seven times." Now from table 6 of the NWS&S work and what I read from <br />Mr. Fenn's statement that this "seventimes" factor really refers to observed Cherry Creek storm <br />depths divided by the I OO-year, 6 hour point frequency value. I get 24.0/3.45 = 6.96 which is <br />close to "seven times. It looks like the NWSSS work, table 6 for PMP to 100-year point 6-hour <br />comparison purposes is 21.1/3.45 or only a ratio of 6.12 but of course for this comparison the <br />point PMP value is that associated with a critical PMP storm over the Cherry Creek basin having <br />a critical storm area size of around 400 square miles. My point here is that this large ratio is <br />really driven by observed precipitation and not the value ofPMP as you seem to state. That's the <br />justification you seek in A W A's comment here. <br /> <br />~ <br /> <br />Additional CWCB Summarv Comments: <br />I believe that A W A has met the minimum requirements except that nothing is indicated <br />regarding the review of the Antecedent Moisture Study of7/l5/l997 that was to be addressed <br />under the Scope of Work. A rewrite of this task should be accomplish to better support and make <br />A W A comments understandable. <br /> <br />Task 2: Verification of the NWS HMR 52 Runs and Use of Grass: <br />The information regarding the HMR 52 runs provided in both 1he text and Appendix B appears <br />to have met the minimum Scope of Work requirements. For those unfamiliar with the input! <br />output files shown in Appendix B, some addition explanation would be worthwhile. Information <br />needs to be provided as to the "Use. of Grass" in this study. <br /> <br />Task 3: Sensitivity Studv of variable im{lactinl!: Site-S{lecific PMP's: <br />I am in agreement with much of what has been indicated by A W A under this task. A large <br />portion of what has been reviewed by A W A is in present agreement with what forms the basis <br />and serves as a foundation in the development ofPMP estimates. There are modifications and in <br />some cases new worthwhile ideas and thoughts shown that I highly encourage A W A and others <br />to further develop (isohyetal pattern development and orientation, and barrier effects). I hope that <br />in coming months that A W A and associates will be able to develop a more thorough analysis of <br />the information they have presented in certain areas of their investigations and be able to present <br />at least a potential impact (flood flow) of these modifications to what is currently derived from <br />use ofNWSSS results. <br />
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