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<br />MR.- SHERMAN: J.im, ,when do.-you anticipate2that,2tliis" technologY.Will be <br />available on the-commercial market? <br /> <br />MR. OGILVIE: I can't answer that. I have a meeting on February 1 with <br />the Bell Telephone Communications people which will give me,a little <br />more infonnation on it.: The material that they have had and presented I <br />to us now firmly convinces me that we are on the threshold. of having <br />it. I would say. that the: ability to do:it, the ability to sell it and <br />get it into the homes" may be five years away, but we are approaching <br />it; right now. <br /> <br />MR. JACKSON: Jim, I am very much in favor of putting in meters, but <br />I would be hard pressed as one member of this board to vote for the <br />bill. I think I understand the politics of giving Denver $5 million in <br />the bill to get it passed. The problem, it seems to me, is that you <br />have not yet given me. any: definite standards of how:you will use the. <br />subsidy that.this board, the fed's, or.th~t the. City of Denver might <br />come up with. I.think that when 'we take a step as large as this'one, <br />there should be come definite standards of the family income, the. <br />poverty level or something that are set out, and those people will <br />receive assistance and the others won't. I am hard'pressed:to swallow <br />this,:because in our own town:people will put in meters without any <br />assistance. :As you remember, it was mandated and they put them in <br />regardless of their income leveL" If they had bee~ in for fifty years <br />or two months, it:made no difference. : <br /> <br />I think if we start on the:state level to give this:kind of money, we <br />ought to have standards. We have standards on the programs.that we : <br />authorize through that construction program, and I think they are good <br />ones .and I think the staff researched them quite well. I also think. <br />that there should.be some standards set before we sit:here and autho- <br />rize money for Denver, because there will,be other.towns asking for <br />the same thing and I think we are going to be hard pressed to say <br />"No" to:them for money when we have given it:to Denver. <br /> <br />MR. OGILVIE: Bob, there is one point that gives me a clue to your <br />problem and why you are reluctant. When you said."subsidy," I guess <br />maybe it is not exactly a subsidy, .because what we are looking at is <br />not an outright grant. We are looking at a means of financing:it over <br />a period of thirty or forty years at an interest rate; and that money <br />will be paid back into the state fund for a revolving use.' <br /> <br />I <br /> <br />MR. JACKSON: :I.still think you need the standards for:whom:you elect <br />on that basis; because you are not going to apply that equally to:every <br />metered user and all alike. <br /> <br />MR. OGILVIE: There is no way you can apply it equally.., You are going <br /> <br />-10- <br />