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<br />MR. FETCHER: How much energy is used to operate the scrubbers, in terms <br />of plant output? : <br /> <br />MR. BUGAS: We are estimating -- let's see. Each unit will gross 447 <br />megawatts, and we will get net 400, out of the unit. So, basically, a <br />little over 10 percent of the energy is used for all station service, <br />plus all the operating electrostatic precipitators, raw water cone en- I <br />trators. Incidentally, the raw water concentrators is purely a <br />distillery. We just, you know, redistill the water and dropout solids, <br />and eventually it gets so concentrated that it is not economical for us <br />to do it. The raw water concentrator at Craig alone cost $18 million. <br />The electrostatic pre.cipitators at that station cost about $36 million. <br /> <br />We have in environmental control equipment -- there is over $200 million <br />in all of the environmental control equipment at that station. The <br />station cost about 700 million. <br /> <br />MR. SPARKS: So, roughly, a little less than a third of the cost is going <br />for environmental requirements? <br /> <br />MR. BUGAS:That is right. <br /> <br />MR. SPARKS: We keep seeing figures put out by the environmental organi- <br />zations about how cheap this",is.: They dispute constantly the costs of <br />this environmental control. But all the figures that we see in our <br />office indicate that approximately a third of all the costs are in not <br />only capital costs but. in the cost of operation as well, and they are <br />adding a tremendous cost burden to the consumer. <br /> <br />I was a little shocked at your figure of 20 acre-feet per megawatt. . <br />Now, that is quite a bit higher than we ~ave been using in our studies <br />of the energy demands in Colorado. :So that comes to 20,000 acre-feet <br />per. thousand megawatts. And we have been using a figure of. roughly <br />15,000 acre-feet. <br /> <br />Now, you say the increase now in the consumption of water is attributed <br />again to a large extent to these limestone scrubbers? <br /> <br />MR. BUGAS: Wet limestone scrubbers. That is adding a rather large amount <br />'of water to the:station uses. And as'long as we have to keep putting <br />those on -- you know, we used to -- the numbers you are quoting are <br />about right without getting into the wet limestone scrubbers, and I <br />have to admit that we have had no experience with this and we are doing <br />some guessing. It is based upon assumptions that others,have helped us <br />make here on about the amount of water that is going to be used. After I <br />about a year or so of experience, we may refine those. numbers. But <br />at the present time, that seems like that is about the number we are <br />going to have to use. <br /> <br />The other possibility here -- and let, me point out that we have done <br />a tremendous amount of experimental work at the Nucla station on trying <br />to find a way other than using electrostatic precipitators, which are <br />very expensive, and I think that when you are dealing with a ~ariable <br />such as coal -- it is not a uniform product; you can't even say that <br /> <br />-6- <br />