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<br />the Division on this question of volume, whether he thinks it's in the <br />realm of reasonable engineering accuracy. <br /> <br />MR. HELTON: Yes, I do. I think the Division of Wildlife visited each <br />of those lakes. Each lake was visited and they measure the shore line <br />and they measure the average depth,' and they calculated the capacity. <br />So I have a reasonable amount of:confidence in their work.. I think I <br />the key thing right here is that our decree will specify that it's the <br />natural outlet of the lake rather than "X" number' of 'acre-feet. That's <br />the important thing. <br /> <br />MR. KROEGER: I would like to ask Duane and Eddie both: Have either of <br />you ever been to Big Emerald or Little Emerald or Castilleja Lake? <br /> <br />MR. KOCHMAN: As I mentioned before, Fred, Mr. Wyler is here today. <br />Bill is the regional biologist stationed in Montrose and I think he can <br />speak to that. <br /> <br />MR; Wyler: Bill Wyler, Division of Wildlife, Montrose. All of those <br />lakes have been visited. A crew -not necessarily myself; but a crew <br />will go up. and they've got their own rubber raft, and they will take <br />depth readings with a measured chain and they will cross the. lake. <br />From these readings, we get the average depth. We take the surface <br />acreage from a ~opographic map, and must multiply them together to get <br />the acre-feet.. 'If you like,. I can send ,to you copies. of the maps that <br />weremade.on these bodies of water that you have in question, and you <br />can get the depths off those. . <br /> <br />MR. KROEGER: Would you do that, please, on those three lakes? <br /> <br />. <br />MR. WYLER: Castilleja, Big Emerald and Little Emerald? <br /> <br />MR. KROEGER: Right. Duane, you said you had indications that the city <br />did not have any plans to utilize this thing. You didn't check with <br />the city manager or the.city engineer, r'm sure, to get :that information. <br />You might have checked with me and gotten that information, but I don't <br />think you would have gotten it from those two fellows; And:you didn!t <br />check with me. <br /> <br />MR. ROBBINS: Just as a matter of clarification, so no one is surprised <br />when they see the state's application on these lakes, we file both on <br />the approximate volume of the lake and on the natural outlet. So it~s <br />controlled by the function of both of those things and not simply by the <br />natural outlet. We do file on an approximate volume, also. <br /> <br />MR. SPARKS: The.volume is determined entirely by the outlet. <br /> <br />MR. ROBBINS: That's.absolutely right, but I didn't want. someone to <br />call me up in a moment and say, ''You said only the natural outlet," <br />when in fact we do put down the volume figures on the application. In <br />the past we have had the volume figures communicated to us. <br /> <br />MR. JACKSON: Mr. Chairman, I have voted for these in the past and think <br />I'll continue. But there is a continuing fear in the people we talk.to <br /> <br />I <br /> <br />-20- <br />