Recreational Instream Flow Workshop Tanscription of Meeting Tape

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•� s .r Glen Porzak that's correct One of month that is correct and there is ample flows; in fact those were flows that existed when the kayak course was in use. Un_id "speaker I could interject really quick. Glen you filed for a thousand cfs in May June an July. Glen Porzak — O.K. there I am wrong. I thought it was in the 600 amount. Unidentified speaker But what's February for example. Unidentified speaker Well, February is 75 Glen Porzak O.K. all right Unidientifed speaker But I think the issue before the board today is. You know is there really a need to appropriate all remaining unappropriated water. The reason its 75 in February is because that is all the water that is there. Glen Porzak that is the amount existed on a day when the kayak course was in use, that's right. It'ran actual beneficial use that was, which is was push. Now, there will times when there is a lot more than the flows that existed in when those..... amounts are absolute. But again it's all in the eye of the beholder. You know, what may be enough for you or may be enough for other people may not be enough for a city that has a very design intent to create the biggest and the best to hold national competitions to put Golden on the map as the capitol of certain recreational activities. And that w an integral component of its downtown development. We will let the court deicide whether or not somehow we exceed the parameters of reasonableness. But to run into court and try, and to the state legislature and try and put your arms around what is reasonable, that is a very slippery slope as we heard ample testimony that that. You know once you embark down that road enterprising minds are thinking of all different ways of utilizing the same standards. Bob Burr — Glen I would like to ask I have heard several people claim that the stream is over appropriated now.. Without any recreational flows or however you want to put it. How would you address that?' Glen Porzak— It depends on the point of the stream that you are on. One of things that wasn't spoken here is that there are a lot of downstream users who love this appropriation. And you look at the big guns on Clear Creek: Thornton, Arvada, Northglenn, Farmers Reservoir & Irrigation Company. They like this filing just fine. And its true that the water use downstream of there is over appropriated. Upriver there is very limited exchange potential because of instream flow filings that exist on the upper regions of Clear Creek. In fact Georgetown is having considerable difficulty. Golden sat down with Georgetown and actually subordinated its recreational diversion to various water rights that Georgetown needed and came up with some very creative solutions to solve the Loveland Ski Area's problems. We came up with some very creative ways to solve Idaho Springs' and other actual water users' problems. So when it came to the actual "where rubber tire meets the road" as to how you solve these future requirements of upstream water users, we're able to meet those in an every situation. People need to be aware that there is a lot more going with respect to Clear Creek and the City of Golden. And Golden owns 60,000 acres that is mountain watershed in Clear Creek County that Clear Creek County downzoned to no development. As all as open space and that's what this fight is really about. I am som ladies. This is has nothing to do with recreational flow filings. This is the straw dog as Paul Zilis well knows. We've offered all kinds of solutions to this problem to really protect their future water requirements with using other resources that 34