Recreational Instream Flow Workshop Tanscription of Meeting Tape

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t appropriation system. Conditional water rights, storage issues, and exchange issues that obviously will come up as well, and other issues. To make hopefully this meeting run a little better today I will try to outline some ground rules to start to make this workshop hopefully more productive. Obviously number one we want to get everyone's name that's here on the sign up sheets so there is a sign up sheet going around. If you haven't signed up or you don't get the opportunity to sign up, please sign up before you leave toady. Also in addition to the agenda speakers that we have we will also have an opportunity for public comment to be made, we have a special sign up sheet for that as well, its over here. So if you want to make comments today in the public comment process of this. I would very much encourage you to sign up so we can count on how many people we have and so forth. We will try to do that obviously between 2 -4 p.m. You all I hope have gotten an agenda as you came in. That somewhat outlines the time frame for today. Most of the speakers we have asked that they limit their comments, at least the agenda speakers comments to ten minutes, except for Gray Lacy and Ken Knox and Hal Simpson as they present their discussions. Possibly fifteen minutes. We have also had a request for, by Mr. Porzak for some limited additional time and we will try to incorporate that prior to the 2:00 time period. Also, in regard to public comments if you could make your public comments and restrict those comments to five minutes it will probably give an opportunity for everyone to speak. And then if we have time before 4:00 where you would like to amplify on your comments, maybe we could take those comments at that time. We would like to let everybody have the opportunity to speak and because of that we want to limit at least your initial comments to five minutes. With that Ted or anything else. We have got the administrative - things covered. Ted Kowalksi — There is lunches for speakers, staff and board but if they are not gone in fifteen or twenty minutes help yourself. Uric Wilkinson — Did you all hear that speakers staff and board can let lunches and if there is any left after that time the public can have them, so we don't want you as the public to keep the speakers away from the lunches. Particularly the .....With that I think we will start of with Gary. I think you are the first one on the agenda. Well its not an amplifying microphone so Gary Lacy I am not sure if you can hear me in the back, but I will do the best that I can. My name is Gary Lacy. I'm with Recreation Engineering Planning which is not a large firm, I'ts small. I am a registered professional engineer in the State of Colorado and been a white water paddler for about 35 years. And recently in the business, recently I guess the last 16 of years working on rivers. First on boat chutes, modifying dams for white water boating and improving safety and more recently on what is called white water parks, or white water improvements that are to create white water features in rivers... that, unfortunately in my opinion these streams and rivers have been channelized and damaged and straightened through communities. And to try and come back and recreate natural appearing features by putting structures in the river that are various shapes and sizes that create these water features. And the sport of white water boating, if you are familiar at all with it, the various types of it and it has been changing over the years but specifically in urban areas and places close to home where instead of driving three hours to the Arkansas, and things like that, is boating in and near your home ... and uh, its a sport which has various aspects. One is slalom paddling, where you've ever seen like in the Olympics or recently in Australia where there is gates suspended above the water and you maneuver through the gates in a predetermined course and it's timed and there is penalties. And those courses, obviously, especially in Australia, if you saw that, totally man made, in fact they pump the eater up and you boat down and this little boat chair lift hooks you up and it pulls you right back up, and which I would love to see one of those around here, but. Anyhow, totally artificial course. Most of «•hat I do is and have been involved in and see happening is natural streams and rivers in Colorado and surrounding states that create these white water parks. That, where people come after work during lunch whatever, run through slalom gates if that is what you want to do, or specifically for boating; which is surfing. %which is flipping end over end, which