Recreational Instream Flow Workshop Tanscription of Meeting Tape

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'r room. Um, at the time of the formation of the subcommittee at the July meeting. There was discussion of the desirability of attaining a consensus among various interest groups on this issue, rather than a free for all before the legislature. And so I would ask of the subcommittee when will opportunity for that consensus building. I want to let the board know especially I have heard from a lot of people that would like to participate in this issue who can not attend a meeting in the afternoon of a work day. I think that I know you are curious about hearing form the public. In furtherance of that goal I encourage you to have meetings on evenings and weekends at accessible venues around the state not just in Denver. I would also note that I am on the agenda as the presenting to the environmentalist perspective and I want to say that there is no way on earth that I speak for environmentalists through the state of Colorado. Many TU members would assign themselves the description of environmentalist. We are a conservation group very concerned with clean flowing streams. But I do think the environmentalist perspective is important and I encourage you to extend an invitation to environmentalists across the state in this discussion. I will conclude by saying that we look forward to continued and more detailed discussion of all of these issues. Eric Kuhn — With that we will move on to administrative issues and concerns with Hal Simpson and Ken Knox. Hal Simpson — I think all of you should have available to you Eric's memorandum to the board, which sets forth a number of administrative issues and appendix A contains some additional discussion --of some of the administrative issues. I don't think I need to take up the public's time reiterating what you can read. I Think I would point out a couple of things in order to determine if a call can be placed by a recreational instream flow. If water rights not being met which means you need accurate measuring devices. To measure flows from the stream we rely heavily upon a partial flume. Which can be properly maintained and maintain its accuracy. We are talking about having to operate gauging stations at the head of the r °aches where we have recreational instream flow water rights. Who pays for the operation, calibration, and instrumentation? These issues to me they are important they are resource issues. If we are expected to calibrate those, we don't have at that. We are fully loaded up. We operate 240 gauging stations statewide now. So would need additional resources if these become a significant factor in Colorado water law. An issue that has been mentioned but is important. When can a call be placed? What is reasonable use? Is it when just a few recreationists are on the river or is there a clear definition to be obtained in the decree of what'and when a call can be placed. Those are terms and conditions we would need. Unadjudicated exchanges I think have preference. They can be adjudicated and recognized but they are senior to the new recreational instream flow water right or do they have priority. I think that's understood. Finally in our interstate compacts where consumptive use is the basis of allocation. Would these water rights if located near the state line preclude our ability to develop our compact entitlements? The issue has been raised and I raised it again because consumptive use is the basis of a compact and we are precluded from using that water then I think that raises some important issues. The other issues I think are indicated in the memorandum and with that I would really like to hear from the public. Eric Wilkinson — Questions of Hal Eric Brown — lets assume you have a hypothetical 200 -cfs right for a boat chute and there are a lot of junior rights above it. How would you do that and without reaching the daylight hours. How would you go about administering a call like that? Hal Simpson First I would have to know that this right was not satisfied. So we would need adequate measuring devices. That's in the stream some type of gauge that is accurate we assured that the called water supply is not being met. Once the call is a legitimate call then we have to move upstream and regulate juniors. But it's a twelve hour call you have to take into consideration lag time and when to 25