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stem in the Colorado River. You are not going to put a boat chute in '/2 mile wide stream at Fruita. You <br />might have a little kayak course that comes off of it and goes right back into it or something like that. But <br />to put in a chute that controls stream flows up to 70,000 cfs in the high years and 1500 in the low, but <br />there's a lot of rafting. You know, and should rafting, and I haven't heard that, but I want to hear that, Is <br />should rafting on non, where you don't have a structure should that be controlled or managed or should <br />that have a water right somewhere. So I am trying to separate the problem into distinct, you know, into <br />ones that you could specifically address, with the specifics as opposed to trying to paint everything in too <br />broad a brush. <br />Glenn Porzak — And I want to again I want to emphasize the difference between large hydro -power <br />diversions you know in a downstream area. Such as we face with the Shoshone power plant. And again <br />emphasize what I indicated before, that the headwaters communities were faced with the situation where <br />you have a flow that for 24 hours a day anywhere from 120 to 180 days a year takes all of the flow. And <br />that's not the situation with any kayak course including the Golden course. Where you know it's it's a, it <br />ratchets down over the season, in fact by month and in fact is not a 24 hour a day type of diversion. <br />EW With that, thanks Glen, We will move on to our next speaker %%•hich is Bill Brown representing the <br />City of Littleton. <br />Bill Brown I grew up on the stormy plains of North Dakota and I learned at a early age to leery of people <br />sitting at my back when I am talking about a controversial subject. So if you don't mind I will stand over <br />here. <br />EW Just stand up here, you just can't stand in the comer, you can't have full advantages. <br />Bill Brown I will just come over here. First of all I want to commend the commission for having these <br />hearings. I think this is an important issue in Colorado. Its an issue that if Glen Sanders were alive today <br />and walk in this room he would wonder what in the world are you doing talking about something like <br />recreational instream flows. But Colorado is changing. I was asked I guess to speak briefly about the <br />Littleton situation. Interestingly enough I think most of the members of the board are familiar with this as <br />I am, because I have been before you a whole lot. Some of the audience may not be, the city of Littleton <br />back in 1974, created a park, about a 600 acre park called the South Platte Park. And the South Platte <br />River flows through it, The River is just below Chatlfield Reservoir and when Chatfield came along, <br />Littleton and others wrestled with the fact that they didn't want to see the South Platte River channelized <br />as it went through that park they wanted to see if they could find a way to preserve and enhance not only <br />the natural environment of the river but also of the surrounding floodplain. And they worked pretty hard <br />for many, many years getting this done. And they worked with the CA'CB, The Army Corps of <br />Engineers, they worked with the South Suburban Park and Recreation District and even the Urban <br />Drainage District in trying to get this done. In the early 1990's an application was filed in water division I <br />by Kiowa Resources and that application in its simplest terms would have allowed for an exchange with <br />the upper reach of that exchange being Chatfield reservoir. And the idea would be that water would be <br />taken at Chatfield Reservoir and the exchange reach would have extended through the park. Meaning that <br />park could have been totally dried up, uh the river flow through there. That really caught Littleton's <br />attention obviously. The Kiowa Resources application went away but the problem certainly didn't. So <br />Littleton began to work with the CWCB to try and see if it would be possible to get an instream flow right <br />through that reach the 2 mile reach of the river through the park. And without going into great detail even <br />though Jay Skinner looked at flows and we did some other things that application never was filed. <br />Littleton then thought that it had to do something in order to avoid a situation where somebody else might <br />come along with a similar exchange proposal as Kio%k•a had resulting in all there work and effort to keep <br />flows in the river being lost. And so it did file an application. Its approach frankly was to look at <br />16l <br />