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these are the kinds of economies of scale that you're talking <br />about, and again the difference is if you leave water in the <br />river, you make more money. And that, in this society of <br />ours, is so often, too often, the bottom line. <br />So, to begin summing up, there are strong arguments <br />now for instream flows, not just the moral ones, the <br />aesthetic ones, the selfish ones. You know, "I like riding lots <br />of flow because I like whitewater rafting," which I do. I also <br />like to fish, so I don't like dried-up rivers. But, there are <br />now arguments that I think argue well for a whole region. It <br />makes more sense in this era, in many cases, to leave water <br />in the river than to take it out, and I'm talking economic <br />sense. And that is maybe the best piece of news that I can <br />give you. <br />Now, the bad news is that we have a whole economy and <br />way of life up here that is based on diversion. We have <br />cowboy culture, ranch culture. Yesterday, l was along <br />Snowmass Creek and the Frying Pan and Roaring Fork <br />Rivers, and there seemed to be a pretty nice balance there. <br />There was quite a bit of water in the rivers. The fishing was <br />good, even though I couldn't catch any. And yet there was <br />still some irrigation along the river and there were some of <br />those nice green fields. Even some of us who want more <br />instream flows might miss that irrigated pasture if it <br />disappeared. So I'm not advocating what the cattle ranchers <br />who always want to shoot me say I'm advocating. I'm not <br />saying, "Get rid of every cow, and take it back to the <br />Mississippi or to the east side of the Mississippi River where <br />it can grow on rain." Even though, in any kind of metabolic <br />sense, because cows are so ill-adapted to and conditions, <br />that really makes sense. It doesn't make social sense to do <br />that, at least not overnight. I think we have to really start <br />rethinking pasture, rethinking alfalfa, rethinking diversions <br />of water. <br />Now, as Dennis was saying earlier, there are other <br />politically easier ways to accomplish some of the things we <br />want to do to put more water back in rivers. You can create <br />pulses and, in fact, you need dams to do that. You can <br />actually build dams in California and create better trout <br />populations where they wouldn't have existed because of <br />our extreme wet and dry-season patterns. But, generally <br />speaking, I think these are measures that don't go far <br />enough. What we really need to do is to rethink this whole <br />frontier mentality that we've been living with for 100 years, <br />which says that water is only good when you take it out of <br />the river and it's no good when you leave it in. I actually <br />think we're beyond the frontier mentality in our thinking, <br />but it's in our institutions where we still have a long way to <br />go. <br />. So, we need laws like Oregon's law, where if you do have <br />a water transfer, there is a tax. A 25 percent water tax where <br />if, let's say, 1,000 acre feet of water that changes hands, 250 <br />acre feet go into the river for an instream flow or they go to <br />a wetland someplace. We need minimum-flow laws that <br />are better and stronger than the ones we have today. And <br />they need to be solid and not fungible, as the lawyers say. <br />Little Creek, coming down from Snowmass Creek, has a 12 <br />cfs minimum flow set in it, or it did by the Colorado River <br />Conservation Board until Snowmass, the big ski operation, <br />decided they needed to take 5 cfs out to make more snow, <br />because there were so many skiers and the seasons have <br />been so unreliable the last 20 years. Well, even though an <br />independent report says you lose 100 percent of the brown <br />trout in that creek (and they are in there) by taking out <br />those 5 cfs, the Board decided that 7 cfs was the minimum <br />flow needed after all. And a former resources secretary from <br />the state of Colorado was the lawyer who made the <br />argument. So those kinds of politics are bad politics. <br />We need ironclad minimum flows, not flexible ones. I <br />think we need stronger public-trust interpretations as we've <br />finally begun to get them in the case of Mono Lake, where <br />we recognize the water doesn't really belong to the user, it <br />belongs to the people of a state and it has been borrowed. <br />We allowed you to take this water out of the river for a <br />beneficial use, but it's up to the public to decide when one <br />beneficial use is no longer beneficial and another one comes <br />along that is, and that is the essence, I think, of the Public <br />Trust Doctrine, and it has to be taken further. And I'm <br />going to have to say, because even though Dennis is co- <br />sponsoring this conference, I can't really criticize the <br />Bureau of Reclamation at all in a forum like this. <br />We need more realistic water pricing. And, of course, <br />poor Dennis, he's stuck with these 40-year water contracts <br />where he gives a guy water for three bucks an acre in 1952, <br />and he still has to give him $3 for an acre foot of water in <br />1992 because it's the law. But there are certain reform bills <br />before Congress right now, which some of you know <br />about, which would begin to change some of these <br />things-at least not give people free water for 40 years. <br />Give them free water only for 10 or 15 years. These are the <br />kinds of changes we need. <br />I'm going to get away from economics and politics and <br />end on an aesthetic note. I wrote a book called "Game <br />Wars" which, in fact, I happen to have a few copies along <br />for sale. This book is a profile of a fellow named Dave Hall, <br />whom some of you may know, who is an undercover game <br />warden for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service based in <br />Louisiana. He's a crazy guy, as most undercover people are, <br />but he's obsessed with wildlife and wilderness preservation. <br />And I just want to echo what he says, how he feels about <br />the modem world, and what our attitude toward it ought <br />to be. Now, Dave is a waterfowl nut. His issue is not rivers, <br />9