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3 <br />that it is somehow my obligation to give up or limit or impair my <br />long-based right to use that water in order to protect some <br />species about which I hardly know and certainly have very little <br />interest?" This has all the ingredients of a very, very serious kind <br />of conflict. Nobody is going to be very interested in giving up a <br />benefit that they hold in a situation like that. You can't just walk <br />up to someone and say, "Give me some of your property, it <br />would be good for society for you to do that." Not in this culture. <br />Our culture values individual freedom and private property very <br />highly. We wouldn't be very happy about that sort of request. <br />So, looking at this from a legal perspective, we are now <br />trying to understand the nature of the property right that <br />individuals have, in fact, been given. That is the most critical <br />question. Considering the question of water rights--does a <br />"property right" in the case of water assure the holder some fixed <br />quantity of water that is immune from any encroachment? <br />Going back to the analogy with a private house, although I <br />own that house and that land, I'm very accustomed to the idea <br />that I can't build anything on that land that I want. It has been <br />clear since the 1920s, at least, that governments have the right to <br />zone land, which limits my ability to develop and use land in any <br />way I wish. Landowners now understand and accept that. I also <br />know, as a matter of nuisance law, that I can't use my property <br />in any way that I like if my use will cause harm to other property <br />interests or other individuals. Property owners understand that <br />too, and they accept it. <br />What I think we are doing now is asking questions about <br />other kinds of limitations on property interests that extend to and <br />include protection of public values. These values don't necessarily <br />bring direct benefits to an individual. Also, they aren't recognized <br />as clear exercises of the police power (as zoning is) and aren't <br />based on the need to protect your fellow neighbor's property, or <br />health, or well-being, but extend to public values that are not <br />necessarily as well-established, such as ecosystem values. <br />People are trying to emphasize the importance of viewing <br />resource management issues in a broad way as one way to work <br />around this problem. So we are beginning, on public lands, for <br />example, to talk in terms of ecosystem management. But that's <br />not enough. Habitats don't end at private property lines. We <br />have to learn how to integrate private property within the public <br />property of the West to truly have effective ecosystem <br />management. <br />Similarly, in the water resources area, we are thinking and <br />talking a great deal more in terms of watersheds. Here it helps <br />us to search for solutions that may be more creative than the <br />more immediate solution that one might look to. As John has <br />done in his program, it helps to look quite broadly within an <br />entire watershed at a whole set of options. This is complicated. <br />My sense is that the conflicts in this area are not amenable <br />to a quick fix. There is no immediate change that is going <br />happen here. There is no single answer. What is going on here <br />is a process of evolution in the nature of a property right. People <br />are beginning to understand that there may be good reasons to <br />alter their image of property--that there are different notions of <br />what the property interest is that they hold. <br />On the other hand, society is struggling to determine what <br />are reasonably-accepted intrusions into people's expectations <br />about their rights on the use of property. How far can we go? <br />We will have continued litigation on this--but we won't <br />resolve it through litigation. - <br />If you look back at property interests, for example, in <br />the water area, back long ago we used to have something <br />called the "natural flow doctrine" in riparian water law. That <br />meant that the flow of water in a stream could not be <br />impaired in any way. That was the definition of riparian <br />water law. Those who benefitted under that definition of <br />riparian water law, of course, did not want to see that <br />definition of their property interest in water altered. But it <br />did change. <br />It changed when we were no longer a country in which <br />navigation and free-flowing streams were the highest value <br />of water. We became an industrial country in which mills <br />and water power became important. It then became <br />necessary to control water to some degree in order to have <br />these benefits. So we went to what was called "a reasonable <br />use doctrine." This is one example of how the idea of <br />property, the definition of property, has changed over time. <br />Those changes were economically driven--they were made to <br />meet societal needs. The question today is, do we want to <br />alter the definition of property to meet societal values that <br />are not driven by economics? That is clearly what we are <br />talking about here. <br />These conflicts today have to do with education. They <br />have to do with getting people to begin to understand the <br />broader world in which they live, where they begin to see <br />outside their narrow property boundaries. They must begin <br />to see that their property is part of a system; their water is <br />part of a system. And, hopefully, they will find that there are <br />some benefits to this broader view that will replace the <br />benefits they lose through the older view. <br />The transition will be a process implemented through <br />the work of people like those in the Bureau of Reclamation. <br />The Bureau, for instance, is starting to operate their water <br />storage facilities in a different way than they used to in order <br />to provide increased environmental benefits. So far, the <br />Bureau has been able to provide deliveries without affecting <br />any one's property or contract rights. But that situation is <br />changing. California is faced with a very difficult decision in <br />that respect. The Sacramento/San Joaquin Delta, the area <br />that feeds into San Francisco Bay, has suffered enormous <br />problems in water quality and fish habitat over the years. <br />These problems have become so severe that the state is <br />considering reducing the amount of water that agricultural <br />and urban water users may take from the Delta. The State <br />Water Resource Control Board issued an order that would <br />have, in fact, reduced the historical diversion right of major <br />water users in this part of California. This reallocation <br />decision has been put on hold for now, but is likely to occur <br />at some point. Is such an order a taking of the water users' <br />property interest? Well, we'll see if litigation arises on that <br />question. I don't think it is. I think you measure the property <br />in a water right, not by quantity of water, but by benefits <br />attained from that water. As long as you can generate <br />equivalent benefits from the available resource, and there is <br />a sound public purpose in reducing the quantity that you <br />may have, that will sustain the Constitutional challenges. But