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<br />think those are things we need to be looking at for the 21st century. <br /> <br />John Carlson: I do not disagree that we ought to be looking into <br />that. I do not specifically know any of the answers to the questions <br />proposed. However, I know that evaporation loses are obviously much <br />higher in the Lower Basin, but the accuracy of those figures I have <br />no way of knowing. The people that believe in the market say that it <br />will drive cures, conservation, or methods of controlling evaporation <br />loses. Whether that is true or false, I do not know. <br /> <br />James Lochhead: I do not think that the 1-2 million acre-feet is <br />totally off the mark. I think in the early 1980' s, in the flood <br />releases, there was significantly more water that went through the <br />system and, in fact, reached the Gulf of California for the first time <br />since modern development had plugged up the river. Quite a bit of <br />water was spilled, and Gerald Zimmerman, from California, will, I am <br />sure, tell you that California believes that should not be repeated, <br />and the system should be operated more efficiently to capture that <br />water and provide more water for California as a result. I cannot <br />confirm those figures. I think that the issue of global warming is not <br />an issue we should ignore, and I think it plays into the question <br />that we will start addressing over the next couple days, about what <br />we should do about Colorado's or Upper Basin's unused entitlement to <br />water, and I think playing into that is the issue of what really is <br />our unused entitlement. How much water is in the river on a long term <br />basis? Is it 15 million acre-feet, is it 13.5 million acre-feet, or <br />is it, as some have suggested in long term drought scenarios and tree <br />ring studies, more like 9 million acre-feet, or 8 million acre-feet. <br />The suspenders that we are hanging off of get pretty short if that is <br />the case. <br /> <br />Question: This is directed towards Carroll or Jim. What is the <br />quantification of the Indian rights in the Colorado River Basin? <br /> <br />James Lochhead: Not all Indian water rights have been quantified, and <br />those that have been, were quantified in different forums. There was <br />some quantification in the decree of Arizona v. California. There <br />have been quantifications, in Colorado as a result of the water rights <br />settlement agreement in southwestern Colorado. There is litigation <br />ongoing in several states. It is an issue that is being handled on <br />a case by case basis in several different forums. There are <br />significant potential demands from Native American tribes on the <br />Colorado River. There is certainly no doubt about that. <br /> <br />Paul Frohardt: I think we will hear a lot more about that tomorrow <br />morning, as well. Other questions? <br /> <br />Question: Lori, as I understand it, you are of the opinion that we <br />are going to be unable to develop that nearly 800,000 acre-feet of <br />water that runs out of the state on the Colorado River. In your view, <br />in light of A.W.D.I., Fort Lyon, and of agricultural dry up, is the <br />Sierra Club going to support the development in any way or form that <br />800,000 acre-feet. <br /> <br />36 <br />