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<br />PEARCE: Particularly with shortage and surplus <br />criteria, though, I think the Basin Project Act <br />mitigates what the Supreme Court ruled in 1963 <br />with respect to the Secretary's authority. It clearly calls <br />for the participation and the cooperation of the <br />governors of the seven basin states and it's not <br />something where the Secretary has unlimited <br />authority. And we certainly agree with that, both on <br />practical grounds and I think on kind of a higher <br />plane. That much discretion is something that ought <br />to be shared, a check and balance system, and we <br />think the Basin Project does provide that. <br /> <br />WEATHERFORD: I think there is a consensus <br />feeling on that among the states. I'm intrigued by the <br />recent Maricopa Stanfield case in Arizona which Jerry <br />[Muys] brought to our attention. It upheld the <br />Secretary's discretion to reallocate not-contracted-for <br />water within the CAP. That case cited a series of cases <br />coming out of the Central Valley of California, the <br />Patterson case, the Hancock case and the O'Neill <br />cases, all of which suggest that the Endangered <br />Species Act or other federally mandated objectives <br />can result in the curtailment of water under federal <br />contracts. And representing contractors in the Lower <br />Basin, I've always felt fairly secure that Section 5 of <br />the Boulder Canyon Project Act, which says that <br />these contracts in the Lower Basin are permanent <br />service contracts, would prevent that kind of realloca- <br />tion or rewriting of contracts. <br />Here in this Arizona case, we have the 9th Circuit, <br />which was also the one that authored the various <br />CVP cases I mentioned, giving us the first suggestion <br />that the new federal initiatives and the vigorous ESA <br />mandates as we've seen them in the Central Valley of <br />California, could lap over into the Colorado River <br />Basin. In the Hancock case, which is a 1993 case, <br />there was a 40-year contract with a right to renew <br />and in its opinion, the 9th Circuit construed that as a <br />permanent service contract because of the renewal <br />features. So the distinction I've always felt some <br />comfort in seems to be undet attack. Regarding your <br />states' rights position, while I think the states agree <br />with it, isn't there a movement afoot challenging that <br />position? <br /> <br />PEARCE: I'm very pleased to respond and agree <br />with the Department of Justice in their response to <br />the petition for certiorari in that case. They argued <br />that it was a very narrow case dealing with the <br />congressional mandate of the AK Chin Settlement <br />Act of 1984. Arizona is a firm believer in a theory <br />that I first heard espoused by Sandy White in <br />Colorado that because the government was building a <br /> <br />huge project on the Colorado in 1928 [Boulder <br />Dam], Congress felt that it was only appropriate to <br />have the Secretary divvy up the water that was <br />coming out of that project. <br />I believe that the compromise for that, the quid <br />pro quo, was the designation within the [Boulder <br />Canyon] Act itself that those contracts are for <br />permanent service. Those words were not put in there <br />lightly. I think they are very, very meaningful. They <br />speak to the issue that, but for that unique congres- <br />sional authorization to the Secretary, this water would <br />have been allocated in a different manner but it <br />would have been allocated in a permanent manner. <br /> <br />Muys: I'd just like to apologize for all you lawyers <br />here to all of you non-lawyers because I know this <br />gets a little technical. In the Maricopa Stanfield <br />Decision the 9th Circuit's core conclusion was, quote, <br />"The Secretary retained his discretion under Section <br />5 of the Boulder Canyon Project Act to allocate and <br />reallocate CAP water under the 1983 notice and <br />under the district subcontracts for the Central <br />Arizona Water Conservation's District." End of <br />quote. Now that does not leave room for a lot of <br />interpretation, in my opinion. It was triggered by a <br />rather narrow Indian water settlement act but the <br />upshot of it is a very broad principle that, as Gary <br />said, applies throughout the area where the 9th <br />Circuit has jurisdiction, which is a good part of the <br />Colorado River Basin. <br />Although it doesn't necessarily mean anything, the <br />Supreme Court declined to review that decision. That <br />doesn't mean, as you know, that the Supreme Court <br />agreed with it but it didn't feel, at least at this time, <br />that it was necessary to take it up and take a look at <br />it. I won't say it's a troublesome precedent in my <br />mind, but it could be for a lot of individuals. <br /> <br />LESHY: Just a couple of quick observations. One, <br />that case shows the perils of litigation, of making an <br />overreaching argument and ending up with some <br />judicial pronouncements that you may not anticipate <br />or like. I'd also remind people that the title of this <br />panel is "The Ever Evolving Law of the River." <br /> <br />JENSEN: I want each of you to take a few minutes <br />to speculate on what you think may be the major <br />issues on the river in the next century. While you're <br />thinking about that, let me make a few practical <br />observations based on my 30-plus years involved with <br />the Colorado River representing Utah and later in <br />private practice. <br />A cynic once said that the Law of the River is what <br />the seven basin states and the federal government says <br /> <br /> <br />TH E EVER <br />EVOLVING <br />LAW OF <br />THE RIVER <br /> <br />SYMPOSIUM <br />PROCEEDINGS <br />SEPTEMBER 1999 <br /> <br />o <br />