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<br />It's also worth saying, although I think everybody <br />in this room understands this, that there's this public <br />image out there that the Law of the River is a finely <br />tuned, very detailed, finely crafted body of law that <br />answers every question. The reality is, as we all know, <br />that there are plenty of silences and gaps and long- <br />term disagreements about what the obligation of the <br />Upper Basin is under the '22 Compact to deliver <br />water to the Lower Basin, and what limits there are <br />on the operating criteria and how some language in <br />the '64 Decree ought to be interpreted. That's what a <br />lot of this debate is about. <br />Clearly, the operating criteria and setting of <br />surplus criteria are things within broad discretion of <br />the Secretary under the Decree, and, requires a value- <br />laden judgment about operation of the reservoirs. <br />The Secretary has established criteria and makes <br />annual operating detetminations and clearly has the <br />power to continue to do that, or he can do it over a <br />longer term basis limited by some notion of reason- <br />ableness. <br />Now, there are all sorts of ways to visualize the <br />crisis, and to visualize interests running to the courts, <br />as we've talked about, or running to the Congress, as <br />we've also talked about. But it's also interesting that <br />in the history of the administration of the Law of the <br />River for the last 75 years, running to the courts or to <br />the Congress is the great exception, not the rule. <br />There is only one Supreme Court decision of any <br />moment in the administration of the Colorado River. <br />That's a very big exception, it's Arizona v. California, <br />but nevertheless, look at any other river system in the <br />country, and you'll find a lot more litigation than on <br />the Colorado River. <br />There's, I would argue, really only one major <br />exception to the Congress' basically hands-off <br />attitude, other than ratifying compacts, and that's the <br />Boulder Canyon Project Act. Even there Congress <br />didn't appreciate what it did when it enacted the <br />Boulder Canyon Project Act. It took the Supreme <br />Court in Arizona v. California to tell us what <br />Congress was doing in 1928. <br />All the other issues and problems have been solved <br />by, basically, basin stakeholder negotiation, prodded <br />from time to time by the Secretary of the Interior. We <br />hope the same thing happens here, and we think the <br />machinery is in motion to allow it to happen here. I <br />think the risks of going to the courts are, losing <br />control, throwing the dice, having clear winners and <br />clear losers with some very powerful interests not <br />having control over the outcome. That's what <br />happens when you go to court. And that's assuming <br />you can get by the problems Dave Getches pointed <br />out of getting a court to even hear the case. <br />In terms of going to Congress, well, California will <br /> <br />have somewhere around 55-56 House members after <br />the next reapportionment, compared to a total of <br />about 20 in the rest of the basin, but California only <br />has two Senators compared to 14 or 16 in the rest of <br />the basin. This means there is no clear outcome in <br />going to Congress. <br />There is a certain necessity to California getting to <br />a soft landing, because California is addicted to more <br />than 4.4. It's an addiction that will take time to <br />break, and it will be tough to break, but I think all <br />the basin interests understand that the machinery has <br />to be put in place to allow that addiction to be ended <br />- at least when hydrology dictates it - and California <br />needs time to do that. I think there's a general <br />agreement on that basic approach, but there will be a <br />lot of bloodletting over the details of getting there, <br />but we hope we can get there peacefully. <br /> <br />WEATHERFORD: I wonder if we can't make this <br />problem a little harder since we all agree at the first <br />level. Let's assume a circumstance before 2015 of a <br />few years in which one would not be able to even <br />reasonably declare a surplus and that we have <br />conditions varying between normal and shortage. <br />We have to all recognize that every minute of <br />every day since March of 1964, every Secretary of <br />Interior has lived under an injunction and lives under <br />that injunction today. And that injunction specifies <br />the basic apportionment deliveries in the Lower Basin <br />under various conditions. Under a shortage, couldn't <br />the Secretary define beneficial use in a way that <br />reallocated some water away from less efficient senior <br />uses to more efficient junior uses? You can argue that <br />a procedure for this was set up in 1964 with the <br />adoption of Part 417 of 43-CFR which allows <br />advance review by the Secretary of water orders, <br />toward the end of making certain that the uses are <br />reasonable and beneficial. If a party, say a user in <br />Arizona or California, did not like that action, <br />couldn't that party apply, Jerry, at the foot of the '64 <br />Decree and contest that action and that interpreta- <br />tion of the Decree? <br /> <br />Muys: I'm just speaking for myself and speculating <br />on that hypothesis as a lawyer. I would assume the <br />day the crunch comes and the Secretary imposes a 4.4 <br />limitation in California and there's no 4.4 Plan, that <br />some users impacted would be in court the next day <br />trying to stay that action and mandate the Secretary <br />to enforce the reasonable beneficial use limitations of <br />senior users in that state, arguing that it's unfair to <br />curtail any junior users who are making reasonable <br />beneficial use of their contract entitlement until <br />senior users are in compliance with reasonable <br /> <br /> <br />THE EVER <br />EVOLVING <br />LAW OF <br />THE RIVER <br /> <br />SYMPOSIUM <br />PROCEEDINGS <br />SEPTEMBER 1999 <br /> <br />o <br />