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<br />It's also worth saying, although I think everybody
<br />in this room understands this, that there's this public
<br />image out there that the Law of the River is a finely
<br />tuned, very detailed, finely crafted body of law that
<br />answers every question. The reality is, as we all know,
<br />that there are plenty of silences and gaps and long-
<br />term disagreements about what the obligation of the
<br />Upper Basin is under the '22 Compact to deliver
<br />water to the Lower Basin, and what limits there are
<br />on the operating criteria and how some language in
<br />the '64 Decree ought to be interpreted. That's what a
<br />lot of this debate is about.
<br />Clearly, the operating criteria and setting of
<br />surplus criteria are things within broad discretion of
<br />the Secretary under the Decree, and, requires a value-
<br />laden judgment about operation of the reservoirs.
<br />The Secretary has established criteria and makes
<br />annual operating detetminations and clearly has the
<br />power to continue to do that, or he can do it over a
<br />longer term basis limited by some notion of reason-
<br />ableness.
<br />Now, there are all sorts of ways to visualize the
<br />crisis, and to visualize interests running to the courts,
<br />as we've talked about, or running to the Congress, as
<br />we've also talked about. But it's also interesting that
<br />in the history of the administration of the Law of the
<br />River for the last 75 years, running to the courts or to
<br />the Congress is the great exception, not the rule.
<br />There is only one Supreme Court decision of any
<br />moment in the administration of the Colorado River.
<br />That's a very big exception, it's Arizona v. California,
<br />but nevertheless, look at any other river system in the
<br />country, and you'll find a lot more litigation than on
<br />the Colorado River.
<br />There's, I would argue, really only one major
<br />exception to the Congress' basically hands-off
<br />attitude, other than ratifying compacts, and that's the
<br />Boulder Canyon Project Act. Even there Congress
<br />didn't appreciate what it did when it enacted the
<br />Boulder Canyon Project Act. It took the Supreme
<br />Court in Arizona v. California to tell us what
<br />Congress was doing in 1928.
<br />All the other issues and problems have been solved
<br />by, basically, basin stakeholder negotiation, prodded
<br />from time to time by the Secretary of the Interior. We
<br />hope the same thing happens here, and we think the
<br />machinery is in motion to allow it to happen here. I
<br />think the risks of going to the courts are, losing
<br />control, throwing the dice, having clear winners and
<br />clear losers with some very powerful interests not
<br />having control over the outcome. That's what
<br />happens when you go to court. And that's assuming
<br />you can get by the problems Dave Getches pointed
<br />out of getting a court to even hear the case.
<br />In terms of going to Congress, well, California will
<br />
<br />have somewhere around 55-56 House members after
<br />the next reapportionment, compared to a total of
<br />about 20 in the rest of the basin, but California only
<br />has two Senators compared to 14 or 16 in the rest of
<br />the basin. This means there is no clear outcome in
<br />going to Congress.
<br />There is a certain necessity to California getting to
<br />a soft landing, because California is addicted to more
<br />than 4.4. It's an addiction that will take time to
<br />break, and it will be tough to break, but I think all
<br />the basin interests understand that the machinery has
<br />to be put in place to allow that addiction to be ended
<br />- at least when hydrology dictates it - and California
<br />needs time to do that. I think there's a general
<br />agreement on that basic approach, but there will be a
<br />lot of bloodletting over the details of getting there,
<br />but we hope we can get there peacefully.
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<br />WEATHERFORD: I wonder if we can't make this
<br />problem a little harder since we all agree at the first
<br />level. Let's assume a circumstance before 2015 of a
<br />few years in which one would not be able to even
<br />reasonably declare a surplus and that we have
<br />conditions varying between normal and shortage.
<br />We have to all recognize that every minute of
<br />every day since March of 1964, every Secretary of
<br />Interior has lived under an injunction and lives under
<br />that injunction today. And that injunction specifies
<br />the basic apportionment deliveries in the Lower Basin
<br />under various conditions. Under a shortage, couldn't
<br />the Secretary define beneficial use in a way that
<br />reallocated some water away from less efficient senior
<br />uses to more efficient junior uses? You can argue that
<br />a procedure for this was set up in 1964 with the
<br />adoption of Part 417 of 43-CFR which allows
<br />advance review by the Secretary of water orders,
<br />toward the end of making certain that the uses are
<br />reasonable and beneficial. If a party, say a user in
<br />Arizona or California, did not like that action,
<br />couldn't that party apply, Jerry, at the foot of the '64
<br />Decree and contest that action and that interpreta-
<br />tion of the Decree?
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<br />Muys: I'm just speaking for myself and speculating
<br />on that hypothesis as a lawyer. I would assume the
<br />day the crunch comes and the Secretary imposes a 4.4
<br />limitation in California and there's no 4.4 Plan, that
<br />some users impacted would be in court the next day
<br />trying to stay that action and mandate the Secretary
<br />to enforce the reasonable beneficial use limitations of
<br />senior users in that state, arguing that it's unfair to
<br />curtail any junior users who are making reasonable
<br />beneficial use of their contract entitlement until
<br />senior users are in compliance with reasonable
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<br />THE EVER
<br />EVOLVING
<br />LAW OF
<br />THE RIVER
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<br />SYMPOSIUM
<br />PROCEEDINGS
<br />SEPTEMBER 1999
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