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<br />88 <br /> <br />.. <br /> <br />tistical error associated with natural differences between <br />the seeded and non-seeded eJ(perimental units. Type I <br />statistical errors in weather modification experiments <br />have been suggested by others, but usually for the reverse <br />reason (i.e., a "bad" draw instead of a "good" draw as in <br />. the present discussion; cf. Gelhaus, Dennis, and Schock <br />1974).. ' <br />Objective partitioning criteria of various types have <br />been devised by Colorado State University meteorologists <br />to index large-scale influences on precipitation (based on <br />available upper air information) in an effort to weed out <br />the events responsible for these region-wide natural differ- <br />enceS in precipitation between the seeded and non-seeded <br />experimental units. Attempts to use existing control <br />stations (i.e., stations having elevations similar to gage <br />lQcations of the Climax experiments) have been hampered <br />by the small number of such stations, and by the fact <br />that even these could have been contaminated by seeding <br />in the Climax experiments or by other seeding operations <br />for certain wind directions. The reanalysis is continuing. <br />However, with additional partitioning based on more <br />complicated meteorological criteria, the sample sizes are <br />so small that the Climax I and II experimental data. <br />. must be pooled. This (i) prevents comparisons between <br />the replicated Climax I and II experimental data; and <br />(ii) is likely to prohibit any strong conclusions concerning <br />seeding effects, particularly since the degree of upper air <br />detail required to adequately qUantify natural precipita- <br />tion pattern variations between control and target loca- <br />tions does not exist. Additional replications of the Climax <br />experiments. with adequate instrumentation and the <br />(' necessary models to quantify natural processes are needed <br />I to help clarify many questions. (A comprehensive <lis- <br />, cussion of the problems associated with the Climax I and <br />f II experiments (jointly authored by G.W. Brier; L.O. <br />Grant, G.T. Meltesen, G.J. Mulvey, J.O. Rhea, and <br />. myself) is forthcoming.) <br />'-- <br /> <br />FREDERICK MOSTELLER* <br /> <br />Journal of: the American Statistical As~ociation, Mal'th1979 <br /> <br />The above discussion shows that even though the <br />wintertime mountain precipitation process may be simple <br />comps.red to summertime precipitation such as rainfall <br />from thunderstorms, it is still extremely. eomplex. <br />Furthl~r, it is controlled by so many scales of influences <br />that highly heterogeneous samples may be difficult to <br />. avoid, even in careflilly planned randomized experiments <br />which use partitioning on many but not all of the in- <br />fluences. It thus b~hooves both meteorologists and stat- <br />isticians to design projects which consider all of the <br />knowIll influence factors, and to make every effort to <br />quanti.fy their degree of control over the precipitation <br />process in order to diminish the uncertainties due to <br />heterogeneous samples. (There is no inexpensive way to <br />do this.) This complexity also emphasizes the need for <br />statisticians and physical scientists to be involved at all <br />stages of the project, including the operations (as pointed <br />out by Professor Braham), to gain a better understanding <br />of the natural variability of these many influences. <br /> <br />REFERENCES <br /> <br />Elliott, Robert D., Shaffer, Russell W., Court, Arnold, and Hanna- <br />ford, .Jack F. (1978), "Randomized Cloud Seeding in the SanJuan <br />Mountains, Colorado," Jcyuf'fWol. of Applied Meteorology, 17, <br />1298-1318. . . <br />Gelhaus, J.W., Dennis, A.S., and Schock, M.R. (1974), "Possibility <br />of a 1l'ype I Statistical Error in Analysis of a Randomized Cloud <br />Seeding Project in South Dakota," JO'U1'1I41. oj Applied Meteorology, <br />13,383-386. . <br />Grant, ll.ewis 0., and Mielke, Paul W., Jr. (1967), "A Randomized <br />Cloud! Seeding Experiment at Climax, Colorado, 1960-1965," <br />Proce.1dingB of the Fifth Berkeley Sympolium on Mathematical Sta.- <br />tistics and Probability, V, 115-131. <br />Mielke, Paul W., 'Jr. (1978), "On Criticisms Concerning the Israeli <br />ExpeIiment," Jcyuf'fWol. of Applied Meteorology, 17,555-556. <br />-, Grant, Lewis 0., and Chappell, Charles F. (1971), "An In- <br />dependent Replication of the Climax Wintertime Orographic <br />Cloud Seeding Experiment," JoUf'fWol. of Applied Meteorology, 10, <br />1198-1212; Corrigendum, 15, SOL <br />Neymalll, J. (1977), "Experimentation with Weather Control and <br />Statistical Problems Generated by It," in Applications of Statistics, <br />ed. Ps,ruchuri R. Krisbnaiah, Amsterdam: North-Holland Publish- <br />ing Co., 1-25. <br /> <br />Comment <br /> <br />. I discuss Dr. Braham's instructive article by describing <br />some additional material and raising some questions. <br />Specifically, I discuss collaboration between atmospheric <br />scientists and statisticians, the need for cost-benefit <br /> <br />· Frederick Mosteller is Roger I. Lee Professor of Biostatistics, <br />Department of Biostatistics, School of Public Health, Harvard Uni- <br />versity, Boston, MA 02115. The author wishes to thank Miriam <br />Gasko-Green, David Hoaglin, Nan Laird, and Michael Stoto for <br />clarifying suggestions. <br /> <br />l <br />'>"~c',,,,,-,,"J~A,j,,,,-,: ,.j , <br /> <br />.' ...... --' ," .. . <br />~. ii:;:; ,. :'_~'::~~j,~ :;,,~:-~~i:,-ci_:,::,:,_ >'. ,-'.<i,-~,-~:"';-~~. ~~~~~~..__ <br /> <br />analysE~, and the problems of multiple analyses and of <br />reanalyses and their relation to the interpretation of non- <br />randomized studies. <br />Dr. lBraham encourages statisticians to be involved in <br />the tot:!).l eff<?rt of investigations of weather modification, <br />not just the design and analysis portions. Let me under- <br />line thiis. In 1971,' the Panel on Weather and Climate <br />Modifi(lation of the National Academy of Sciences' Com- <br />